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Mephisto wrote:Has anyone seen the John Carpenter movie "In the Mouth of Madness"? That ending screamed to me Alien Intelligence/Lovecraftian horror


Yup, definitely Lovecraftian.

And, of course, there are movies based directly (though often inaccurately) on Lovecraft's work, listed here:
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And there are movies like The Evil Dead I and II (not so much with Army of Darkness).

How many other movies can we think of that have Lovecraftian overtones, specifically dealing with The Old Ones and such?
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Misfit KotLD wrote:Hellboy definately has Lovecraftian influence. Event Horizon with its barely glimpsed realm of horror the ship traveled to and back from.


Agreed on both counts.
Shortly after I made the thread, I remembered Event Horizon.
Disappointing movie, but definite Lovecraft influences.
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Misfit KotLD wrote:Hellboy definately has Lovecraftian influence. Event Horizon with its barely glimpsed realm of horror the ship traveled to and back from.


Good choice on Hellboy.
I only barely remember Event Horizon.
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Sentinel wrote:I only barely remember Event Horizon.


It was only barely memorable.
The hook was great: a spaceship tests a warp drive and vanishes.
Years (decades?) later, it shows back up, apparently empty, and a team is sent inside to check it out.

Unfortunately, it swiftly turns into a generic "People's dreams/fantasies/fears/desires come to life and kill them" movie.
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Dagon was a pretty good--if low-budget--adaptation of "The Shadow Over Innsmouth." Not particuarly faithful, but decent enough for a direct-to-video horror flick. I don't remember if Dagon was an Old One or an Elder God or something else entirely, but he makes an all-too-brief appearance at the end.

Guillermo del Toro (director of Hellboy and The Devil's Backbone--awesome flick) has said that he's working on a big-screen version of "At the Mountains of Madness." His new movie--Pan's Labyrinth--looks pretty weird though.

The Evil Dead movies aren't really all that Lovecraftian, IMO. Apart from a book called The Necronomicon (actually, they call it "Necronomicon Ex Mortis", i.e. "the Book of the Names of the Dead from Death." Huh?). The rest of it's just zombies and possessing entities, no real Cosmic Horror of which to speak.

The movie version of Silent Hill looks pretty creepy and quasi-Lovecraftian.

I don't think many movies besides At the Mouth of Madness and (the more comic book-like treatment of Lovecraft in) Hellboy have really tried to capture a true Lovecraftian horror. It's a bit too cerebral, not visceral enough for the kind of horror movies Hollywood produces.

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Deep Rising, while you only see a bit of it, had a rather Lovecraftian beast.
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the only problem i truely have with lovecraft or call of calthulu is the face the humanity never wins- not in the end.. the only people who servive are linked the calluthulu..
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jade von delioch wrote:the only problem i truely have with lovecraft or call of calthulu is the face the humanity never wins- not in the end.. the only people who servive are linked the calluthulu..


No one survives, really. Not even those "linked" to Cthulhu. One can end up one of two ways: dead or insane. No happy endings in the Cthulhu Mythos for anyone. Well except maybe the Great Old Ones. Once Cthulhu wakes up and turns Earth into his little playground, he might be happy. Though I don't think he (or any of the Great Old Ones) have emotions in the way we humans do. So call it whatever passes for "happy" for huge, rubbery, tentacular, non-Euclidian, malevolent entities from the deepest reaches of Space.

"calthulhu" sounds like the Great Old One's young cousin. You know the one: he's got an apartment in La Jolla, taking a few classes at San Diego State, goofing off a bit but really finding himself. I won't even touch "calluthulu."

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Killer Cyborg wrote:
Sentinel wrote:I only barely remember Event Horizon.


It was only barely memorable.
The hook was great: a spaceship tests a warp drive and vanishes.
Years (decades?) later, it shows back up, apparently empty, and a team is sent inside to check it out.

Unfortunately, it swiftly turns into a generic "People's dreams/fantasies/fears/desires come to life and kill them" movie.


There have certainly been similar yet worse movies.

Galaxy of Terror comes to mind.
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jade von delioch wrote:the only problem i truely have with lovecraft or call of calthulu is the face the humanity never wins- not in the end.. the only people who servive are linked the calluthulu..


..err, that's kind of the point.

Having the good guys win would only vitiate the stark, cosmic horror that Lovecraft so masterfully portrayed.
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I've heard some good stuff about the silent Call of Cthulhu. I'm hoping I can get a copy soon.
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From Beyond was very Lovecraftian. Weird, but Lovecraftian.

And In the Mouth of Madness - probably my favorite horror movie. Lovecraftian weirdness, shots at Stephen King, the ending where you realize everything has gone to hell-in-a-handbasket... Good times.

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You Know wrote:From Beyond was very Lovecraftian. Weird, but Lovecraftian.


Which isn't all that surprising, seeing as how it's based (however loosely) on a Lovecraft story. :D
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The vague lovecraftian bits in hellboy were ok. Otherwise, I didn't really enjoy the movie.

I have problems relating to yet another smart @$$ "bad boy" who's out to save the world, but can't be hurt by anything.

The whole, "can't be hurt by anything", takes all of the tension and fun out of the action scenes.

Imagine if Indiana Jones couldn't be hurt by anything. The whole series would become mediocre instead of having some of the best action scenes that hollywood has produced. Same thing applies to Die Hard and Spiderman. Who can forget Bruce Willis pulling shards of glass out of his feet, or that bomb exploding in Spidy's face?

Hellboy had none of that. The coolest thing in that movie, were the tentacles falling from the sky.
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Nerdbane wrote:I like Hellboy all right, but not to defend that movie/comic too specifically, don't be too quick to dismiss the "physically impervious" hero, Stattick.

A very dramatic and suspenseful story can be told with a brick of a good guy. Say Joe Brick has an arch-nemesis named Dr. Evilpsyche. Dr. E kidnaps Joe's girlfriend Miss Melody and takes her to the top of a remote mountain, where he plans to perform a ritual that will transfer his evil brain patterns from his decrepit old body into her young healthy frame (wiping out her personality in the process).

Does Joe's imperviousness make him able to climb the mountain any faster? Or make him able to figure out a way through the mountaintop castle defenses any better? Assuming Joe can get there in time, can he just throw his impervious body between Dr. E and Melody, or will that have no effect on the mind-transfer ritual?

Obviously if a villain's objective is "kill the hero" and the hero "can't be killed" then the story has a forgone conclusion - the villain will fail. But if the villain has any other agenda, the hero's invulnerability is just one asset and not something that let's him cruise through to the inevitable happy ending. John Maclane may be more compelling because in addition to trying to rescue his wife and keep the cops from making suicidal mistakes he's got to be actively concerned with keeping himself alive, but I think it's a matter of degree, and not "Spider-Man has good stories and Superman doesn't, period."

One more thing - sometimes I think writer's just want to subvert the expectations of the genre. We expect our heroes to have to struggle to reach their goals so sometimes it's funny or cool or revelatory when they deflate that expectation of tension. Like when Indiana Jones is confronted by the swordsman in Cairo and just shoots him. :D

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True what you said. I haven't read the comic book of Hellboy - was probably much, much better then the movie was. As to the whole thing of a good plot drawing you in dispite the hero basically being invulnerable - well hellboy didn't do it for me. I was bored while watching it at the theater - I found it to be very predictable. The only thing that really stands out in my memory was the tentacles falling from the sky, and some leatherboy nazi that couldn't be killed getting killed by hellboy doing something clever (I don't even remember how).

Hellboy did do one really good thing for me. It helped to lower my expectations even further of what hollywood will produce when they try to make a comicbook based movie. So I was blown away by Spidy 1&2, and by Batman Begins. X-3 wasn't that great though - Where was Nightcrawler? I'm really looking forward to Ghost Rider though - the trailer was awesome.
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Nerdbane wrote:There's a series coming to TNT this summer called "Nightmares and Dreamscapes" based on Stephen King stories. One of the episodes - "Crouch End" - has a fairly Lovecraftian feel to it. (Saw a preview at Wizard World Philly) It's not great, but interested parties may want to check it out for reference - at least it's free on basic cable.

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Well, the short story was based on Lovecraft's work.
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Sir Ysbadden wrote:Because of this i feel it necasary to point out a little known fact that Lovecraft did not invent his star C'thulu was actually taken from someone elses work. the mythos in general is actually an amalgam of different writers works. Lets not forget mythos stories like the king in yellow.


Pray illuminate us and tell us from whose work Lovecraft borrowed Cthulhu.

Although it is clear Lovecraft read and was influenced by The King in Yellow, written by Robert W. Chambers--and published in 1895--(see HPL's "The Whisperer in Darkness" especially), as far as I know, there is no reference to Cthulhu in that work.

The integration of Chambers' Hastur and the Yellow Sign (and whatever else came out of The King in Yellow) was done primarily by August Derleth and other writers after HPL's death. In fact, much of what has come to be known as the Cthulhu Mythos was cobbled together by Derleth and reflects his own philosophy much more than HPL's original, nihilistic view. So, when you say, "the mythos in general is actually an amalgam of different writers works" this is, generally speaking, true. But somewhat misguided nonetheless. Most of those who have written tales connected to the Cthulhu Mythos have done so years and years after HPL's original tales.

During the latter part of Lovecraft's life, there was much borrowing of story elements among the authors of the "Lovecraft Circle", a clique of writers with whom Lovecraft corresponded. This group included Clark Ashton Smith, Robert E. Howard, Robert Bloch, Frank Belknap Long, Henry Kuttner, and others.

Lovecraft recognized that each writer had his own story-cycle and that an element from one cycle would not necessarily become part of another simply because a writer used it in one of his stories. For example, although Smith might mention "Kthulhut" (Cthulhu) in one of his Hyperborean tales, this does not mean that Cthulhu is part of the Hyperborean cycle. A notable exception, however, is Smith's Tsathoggua, which Lovecraft appropriated for his revision of Zelia Bishop's "The Mound" (1940). Lovecraft effectively connected Smith's creation to his story-cycle by placing Tsathoggua alongside such entities as Tulu (Cthulhu), Yig, Shub-Niggurath, and Nug and Yeb in subterranean K'n-yan.

Most of the elements of Lovecraft's mythos were not a cross-pollination of the various story-cycles of the Lovecraft Circle, but were instead deliberately created by each writer to become part of the mythos — the most notable example being the various arcane grimoires of forbidden lore. So, for example, Robert E. Howard has his character Friedrich Von Junzt reading Lovecraft's Necronomicon in "The Children of the Night" (1931), and Lovecraft in turn mentions Howard's Unaussprechlichen Kulten in both "Out of the Aeons" (1935) and "The Shadow Out of Time (1936).

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Tom Sawyer wrote:I don't suppose anyone here knows about "The Call of Cthulhu" silent movie that was just put out by the H.P. Lovecraft Historical Society on DVD about a year or so ago?

Very nice.

Yes, it was quite good. Charming and quaint in its style, but that's what they intended. The scariest thing was the music, I think.

The Hellboy comics are far, far better than the movie, and include a lot of supernatural lore outside of the Mythos. If you've only seen the movie, give the comics a chance, they're a goldmine of adventure ideas.
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Sir Ysbadden wrote:
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Tom Sawyer wrote:I don't suppose anyone here knows about "The Call of Cthulhu" silent movie that was just put out by the H.P. Lovecraft Historical Society on DVD about a year or so ago?

Very nice.

Yes, it was quite good. Charming and quaint in its style, but that's what they intended. The scariest thing was the music, I think.

The Hellboy comics are far, far better than the movie, and include a lot of supernatural lore outside of the Mythos. If you've only seen the movie, give the comics a chance, they're a goldmine of adventure ideas.


The comics are better but i still loved the movie for what it was i am looking forward to the sequel. :ok:


Most people I know who have seen Hellboy think that the movie is fantastic or absolute crap.

I like it, but don't have a great love for it. It had quite a few cool parts though.
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