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"IF" We had some of the augmentaions of RIFTS earth and here and Now. Which augmentaion would you get ??

NOT a Character, but YOU, ok...

Well if it was here and now, which means no magic, I think one of the hidden Cyber Humanoids would be very cool. Fit right in with the rest of society and yet be capable of pretty impressive things.

The sensory augmentations and hidden weapons would be great if one ever wanted to be able to become a spy. All the while maintaining that human appearance would make it better then looking like a huge robot like the combat cyborgs.

i voted Transferred Intelligence robot/andriod.
Why??
I'd like to get rid of all weakness of the flesh.
More durable
doesnt need air, water, food, or bodily function.
No living brain to grow old and feeble

I could have a more robotic body or an andriod body, maybe even change bodies when i need to.

Sure i'd need maintance once in awhile. but that wont be often.

Cybernetics all the way.
Headjack, amp. hearing with sound filters, ultra-ear, clock calendar, gyro-compas, and bio-systems underwater eyes.

I chose "Cybernetic (medical replacements)" all I would be doing is extending my life span while continuing to be human.

RPA with a minor assortment of cybernetics or Juicer followed by switch to full conversion.

Transferred Intelligence for me; no more mortality. And no longer being bound to a humanoid shape is a definite boon, in my books. Of course, I'm a big fan of trans/post-humanism, sentient software, all that good stuff.

TechnoGothic wrote:i voted Transferred Intelligence robot/andriod.
Why??
I'd like to get rid of all weakness of the flesh.
More durable
doesnt need air, water, food, or bodily function.
No living brain to grow old and feeble

I could have a more robotic body or an andriod body, maybe even change bodies when i need to.

Sure i'd need maintance once in awhile. but that wont be often.

That sums it up...plus, you can be VERY powerful, and fast, and upgrade yourself...

Power Armor, with a few minor cybernetics. The power armor that I'd choose would be the Triax Terrain Hopper, due to the mobility that it provides (unmatched by anything but a Juicer) and the compactness of the design. The cybernetics would be informational in nature: the Clock/Calendar, for example. In fact, the NGR Intelligence Commando comes very close to exactly the set of augmentations that I'd go for.

That said, I hesitate to call robots or power armor "augmentation", any more than a jeep or a fighter jet are augmentation.

Zylo wrote:I like being me and wouldn't want to give up my body and all the feelings that go with it unless I absolutely had to, so I chose Power Armor Pilot. Operating a SAMAS would just be a kick!

Ditto.

I picked Crazy.

WHY?

Because they are 100% self-sufficient. A Borg or robot or transferred intelligence is very very powerful, but requires the facilities of high technology to repair or replace its parts. A juicer is lower on the power scale, and requires less in the way of technology, but still requires a drug recharge every couple of years. A crazy is the 'weakest' of the three augmentations, but can heal himself and is at liberty to go where he wants.

Secondly, I've rolled up (and role-played) many crazies. I like the OCC. I think that people look at them and see the 'crazyman' insanity and think that they all are total whack-jobs. Not necessarrily true. Most people have obsessions and phobias even today, without implants in their heads, and if you look at just how mad a crazy is, they often are fairly well adjusted (mind you, some are total fruit loops, but they are the minority).

So assuming that I am NOT a psionic right now (which rules out ultra-crazy and major or master Psi-crazy)

I would pick from one of the three:
Standard Crazy (assuming that the operation has been done with high quality implants, and so I look like the guy in Rifts: Japan who is holding two swords (sorry, no page reference). The implants look smooth and flat, as opposed to what I assume are low quality implants which look like coke cans in your head)

Ninja Crazy (not because I like ninjas, but because of their interesting meditation techniques)

Non-psionic Psi-Crazy (nuttier than most, but certainly quite powerful. A 20MDC/level force shield that only costs 20ISP and snaps up instantly is very very cool. Even if it goes down, it's only down for one attack and *zap* back up to full strength)

Hmmmmmmm.... I'll have to really think quite hard on this one....

I'm going to have to go with the one you didn't list. Genetic augmentation.

TechnoGothic wrote:"IF" We had some of the augmentaions of RIFTS earth and here and Now. Which augmentaion would you get ??

NOT a Character, but YOU, ok...

Bio-ware Cybernetics is the closest to what you had. synthetically bio enhancements along with genetically engineering.

Multi-optic eyes are a good choice.

Eternal Brain.

skippythebox wrote:
it has its' appeal.. but the downsides!

What are you going to do when you have a craving for oreos' and milk?

Or the caress of a beautiful woman?

Get me some sensory inputs that are as good as human standard and I will consider it, til then though it would be not the most pleasent of experiences long term.

Robots/Andriods can get simulated touch equal to humans sense of touch.
The Andriod method you can look completly human. Bleed, feel, warm skin, etc...get fully functional parts

But since you no longer have biological needs, or produce hormones anymore, you could not crave things such as food, sex, drugs, or whatever cause there is nothing to "need" or "want" that kind of thing.

You might want compainship in general, but the "sex" aspect would be removed once you adjust mentally.

cornholioprime wrote:Eternal Brain.

Oh yeah. One of the biggest factors in favour of becoming a psi-crazy!

You left out super power experiments.
From what you listed I would take the transferred Intelligences simply because, With the right meca body you could do all most anything, and be immortal.

full conversion combat borg im not very agile or fast so being tough
would be nessary

I vote none of the above, again.

I'll take nectar and ambrosia. The best form of augmentation yet devised.

Full conversion 'Borg! That way, I could stomp around acting all cold and aloof, and looking totally tough. Then, when approached by a member of the opposite sex for doing something completely awesome (like flexing), I'd be all, "No dice, I'm made of metal."

Seriously, though... I love 'Borgs. Big, powerful, strong looking 'Borgs. The Russian 'Borgs have the right idea. Get a large, extremely heavy body, some incredibly huge guns to back it up, and go around shooting up tanks. Why? Because you're just that tough.

...unless I could get gene-spliced. That changes everything!

TechnoGothic wrote:

skippythebox wrote:
it has its' appeal.. but the downsides!

What are you going to do when you have a craving for oreos' and milk?

Or the caress of a beautiful woman?

Get me some sensory inputs that are as good as human standard and I will consider it, til then though it would be not the most pleasent of experiences long term.

Robots/Andriods can get simulated touch equal to humans sense of touch.
The Andriod method you can look completly human. Bleed, feel, warm skin, etc...get fully functional parts

But since you no longer have biological needs, or produce hormones anymore, you could not crave things such as food, sex, drugs, or whatever cause there is nothing to "need" or "want" that kind of thing.

You might want compainship in general, but the "sex" aspect would be removed once you adjust mentally.

i suggest you check out the Boomers from bubble gum crisis anime & RPG, also see GURPS Bio-Tech to refute that claim.

An android can either be made of various materials. if it is a biological based android, then it can have feel, see & have sex if it was made to function that way.

LunarYoma wrote:
i suggest you check out the Boomers from bubble gum crisis anime & RPG, also see GURPS Bio-Tech to refute that claim.

An android can either be made of various materials. if it is a biological based android, then it can have feel, see & have sex if it was made to function that way.

i've seen it, loved it.
the human-like boomers are closer to Bio-systems andriods though.
they just lack the ablity to self-reproduce.

Gurps Bio-Tech, is BIO-Tech...bio-systems...and genetic engineering...or close to it.

In Palladium though, Robots/Andriods are not Bio-tech/systems. Thats whats borgs are for in PB

Andriods in Palladium are closer to DATA from ST-tNG.
Transfered Intelligence its you though inside it.

After awhile, of having no hormones dictating things to you, you may change mentally though. Becoming more calm maybe. Food, etc most likely wont give you pleasure even, so why waste time pretending.

But any changes would take years though...so for awhile you'd miss certain things alot.

LunarYoma wrote:

TechnoGothic wrote:

skippythebox wrote:
it has its' appeal.. but the downsides!

What are you going to do when you have a craving for oreos' and milk?

Or the caress of a beautiful woman?

Get me some sensory inputs that are as good as human standard and I will consider it, til then though it would be not the most pleasent of experiences long term.

Robots/Andriods can get simulated touch equal to humans sense of touch.
The Andriod method you can look completly human. Bleed, feel, warm skin, etc...get fully functional parts

But since you no longer have biological needs, or produce hormones anymore, you could not crave things such as food, sex, drugs, or whatever cause there is nothing to "need" or "want" that kind of thing.

You might want compainship in general, but the "sex" aspect would be removed once you adjust mentally.

i suggest you check out the Boomers from bubble gum crisis anime & RPG, also see GURPS Bio-Tech to refute that claim.

An android can either be made of various materials. if it is a biological based android, then it can have feel, see & have sex if it was made to function that way.

Let's not forget that in DBZ, Android 18 had a baby.

Additional information can be found in all of the anime for GITS, GITS:SAC, and GITS:SAC 2nd GIG (and all associated manga) Plus the manga for Battle Angel Alita and Battle Angel Alita: Last Order (but skip the short anime for this). All of these stories deal heavily with cyberization and cyborgs (the main characters of both series are full conversion cyborgs).

RainOfSteel wrote:

LunarYoma wrote:

TechnoGothic wrote:

skippythebox wrote:
it has its' appeal.. but the downsides!

What are you going to do when you have a craving for oreos' and milk?

Or the caress of a beautiful woman?

Get me some sensory inputs that are as good as human standard and I will consider it, til then though it would be not the most pleasent of experiences long term.

Robots/Andriods can get simulated touch equal to humans sense of touch.
The Andriod method you can look completly human. Bleed, feel, warm skin, etc...get fully functional parts

But since you no longer have biological needs, or produce hormones anymore, you could not crave things such as food, sex, drugs, or whatever cause there is nothing to "need" or "want" that kind of thing.

You might want compainship in general, but the "sex" aspect would be removed once you adjust mentally.

i suggest you check out the Boomers from bubble gum crisis anime & RPG, also see GURPS Bio-Tech to refute that claim.

An android can either be made of various materials. if it is a biological based android, then it can have feel, see & have sex if it was made to function that way.

Let's not forget that in DBZ, Android 19 had a baby.

Additional information can be found in all of GITS, GITS:SAC, and GITS:SAC 2nd GIG (and all associated manga), plus Battle Angel Alita and Battle Angel Alita: Last Order (but skip the anime in this case). All of these stories deal heavily with cyberization and cyborgs (The main characters of both series are full conversion cyborgs).

Yeah, but Rifts androids are plastic, ceramic, and metal.

Killer Cyborg wrote:

RainOfSteel wrote:Let's not forget that in DBZ, Android 19 had a baby.

Additional information can be found in all of GITS, GITS:SAC, and GITS:SAC 2nd GIG (and all associated manga), plus Battle Angel Alita and Battle Angel Alita: Last Order (but skip the anime in this case). All of these stories deal heavily with cyberization and cyborgs (The main characters of both series are full conversion cyborgs).

Yeah, but Rifts androids are plastic, ceramic, and metal.

And what else is Major Kusinagi Motoko-san made of?

In Rifts, some conversions result in that. This does not mean all do. It's a big universe.


(Why do I get the feeling that GITS:SAC and GITS:SAC 2nd GIG, set in 2040/2041, are a higher tech setting in regards to cyberization than Rifts Earth before the coming of the Rifts themselves? Yes, that's a rhetorical question.)

Let's not forget that in DBZ, Android 19 had a baby.

18... not that I'd know though.

SkyeFyre wrote:

Let's not forget that in DBZ, Android 19 had a baby.

18... not that I'd know though.

Gah! You are, of course, correct.

(Previous post edited now).

RainOfSteel wrote: Let's not forget that in DBZ, Android 18 had a baby.

Additional information can be found in all of the anime for GITS, GITS:SAC, and GITS:SAC 2nd GIG (and all associated manga) Plus the manga for Battle Angel Alita and Battle Angel Alita: Last Order (but skip the short anime for this). All of these stories deal heavily with cyberization and cyborgs (the main characters of both series are full conversion cyborgs).

in DBZ Andriod 18 was turned into a human by krilian using the dragonballs. She kept all her powers though.

As for GitS cyborgs, etc...
Archie3 can make andriods like that and cyborgs like that.
All the muscles, etc...are artifical and not living tissue. cyber-nerves, etc...

RainOfSteel wrote:

Killer Cyborg wrote:

RainOfSteel wrote:Let's not forget that in DBZ, Android 19 had a baby.

Additional information can be found in all of GITS, GITS:SAC, and GITS:SAC 2nd GIG (and all associated manga), plus Battle Angel Alita and Battle Angel Alita: Last Order (but skip the anime in this case). All of these stories deal heavily with cyberization and cyborgs (The main characters of both series are full conversion cyborgs).

Yeah, but Rifts androids are plastic, ceramic, and metal.

And what else is Major Kusinagi Motoko-san made of?

In Rifts, some conversions result in that. This does not mean all do. It's a big universe.


(Why do I get the feeling that GITS:SAC and GITS:SAC 2nd GIG, set in 2040/2041, are a higher tech setting in regards to cyberization than Rifts Earth before the coming of the Rifts themselves? Yes, that's a rhetorical question.)

nope, GitS cyborgs, they are Cyber-humaniods types.
not built for heavy combat.
Rifts focuses on the heavy combat cyborgs.

Also, keep in mind that robots only have a 20 year power source.
You could get the Super Solar engine option to keep you going after that, though.

TechnoGothic wrote:nope,

"nope" what?

Was it: "No," they are not <something I said>, "GitS cyborgs, they are Cyber-humaniods types."?

If so, I never said GITS cyborgs weren't light full conversion cyborgs. But if you watch the series, I definitely get the feeling they are way higher tech than the Rifts stuff (light or heavy).

Spoiler: [GITS:SAC 2nd GIG has a battle between the tachikomas and heavy power armor, and you can see pretty clearly that both Batou and The Major probably wouldn't want to go toe to toe with the PAs.]

TechnoGothic wrote:not built for heavy combat.

I don't know, spoiler: [In GITS:SAC, a PA does go toe to toe with The Major. She is losing until Saito shows up with a heavy anti-material rifle, after which she wins. She also survives and walks away; and swaps into a new body shortly after.]

TechnoGothic wrote:Rifts focuses on the heavy combat cyborgs.

GITS:SAC 1 & 2 don't focus on heavy combat cyborgs . . . but they most certainly exist in criminal and military organizations in that milieu.

el magico -- darklorddc wrote:maybe its just me, but I just don't think DBZ should be used as a scientific reference point for android capabilities.....

Pretty much what I was thinking as I looked at the various Posts trying to directly compare different Game/Anime Universes to one another.

What next??

Just assume that Rifts Full Conversion 'Borgs or Androids can give birth just because there's an Anime out there called "Armitage??"

Partial bionic reconstruction is where it's at. Not only do you get good abilties, but you also get access to many of the cool bionic weaponry and sensory systems, get to keep your original flesh & blood torso, your life-span isn't diminished at all (in fact it's prolonged), and best of all "Captain Winky" needn't go down with the ship.