Next Mass Produced Mutant

[Nekira Sudacne]

They won't. Dog Boys are pretty much ideal for their purposes.

[PigLickJF]

They won't. Dog Boys are pretty much ideal for their purposes.

Yep, completely agree.

PigLick

[dark brandon]

It won't be monkeys (too smart)

It won't be Ursa (too dumb)

It won't be Cats (Too independant)

Dog boys are perfect. Smart, loyal (95% loyal), strong (stronger than humans), and have an array of pychic powers and their noses are the best money can mutate.

Exception: If they could find a use for Bat boys they probably would be the next high produced mutant. But, seeing as they are discontinued...)c:

[dark brandon]

Exception: If they could find a use for Bat boys they probably would be the next high produced mutant.

Creepy...I was thinking the same thing. Not bats, but in a flying creature with excellent sensory/perception.

Well, in Lone star, it says that bat boys are just as loyal and such, but arn't much good vs high-tech enemies. Course, I think if they could find a way to equip bat boys with some anti-radar devices, they could make excellent calvary soldiers because they are quick.

Some light armor a plasma rifle that can be aimed by the positioning of the head that's mounted on the shoulder and an anti-radar device would make them pretty dangerous, especially with a pack of dogboys offering ground support.

[RockJock]

I pretty much agree with the statement that the Bears are too dumb ect.

The only other problem with the Bats being used in large numbers is they are ugly, and humans don't like ugly things. You won't see Batboys flying around Chitown because it would freak out the populace.

If anything I would see the Bug hunters(I can never spell Xli whatever) as the best chance of a newer mutant being mass produced. This is because they do help limit the numbers of bugs, but also because they are not interacting with humans a great deal. I could also see some of the expanded Dog Boys being much more common.

[dark brandon]

I pretty much agree with the statement that the Bears are too dumb ect.

The only other problem with the Bats being used in large numbers is they are ugly, and humans don't like ugly things. You won't see Batboys flying around Chitown because it would freak out the populace.

actually, Up until I saw a bat up close, I figured the things to be ugly. up close, they are kinda cute (fruit bats), and look like furry pigs.

Now There's a animal they might want to concider mutating. Pigs are (at least pot belly ones) smart (smarter than dogs) and are quite loyal. There is a myth that pigs are lazy and dirty, but I had one as a pet and we grew them up on a farm and that's just not true.

If anything I would see the Bug hunters(I can never spell Xli whatever) as the best chance of a newer mutant being mass produced. This is because they do help limit the numbers of bugs, but also because they are not interacting with humans a great deal. I could also see some of the expanded Dog Boys being much more common.

Unfortunatly, much like the bat boys, The xinixtic hunter line has been discontinued. While they did eat xinixtics, they couldn't produce them fast enough to make any type of difference, so it was discontinued. (I think that was in aftermath)

[dark brandon]

Thing is, with the increasing acceptance of psychics, you'll be seeing fewer mutants. The Dog Boys were created because psi-powers were strictly controlled and not used in the military. Psi-Batt changed that, and now we're likely to see a slow phasing out of Dog Boys.

Skelebots are better cannon fodder, and human psychics work just as well.

Possible but I don't think so. All dog boys have psionic powers. There arn't that many humans who have even minor powers. All dog boys have psi-sensitive. With the loss of dog boys you'll probably see a loss of psi-stalkers as it will probably drive them away.

Skelebots are better cannon fodder, but dog boys have a high IQ, along with natural abilities that cannot be programed and independant thought, which is important in certain battlefield situations. While skelebots will be awesome vs. Xinixtics, they were worthless as shown in the Siege on Tolkeen series.

Dog boys are just rad. They are as loyal as any skelebot, near as fearless. They all have psi-sensitive abilities and can be mass produced much faster than pychics of human nature can. You could say that Dog boys are a combination of the best parts of Psi-battalion, Skelebots, Psi-stalkers and humans all rolled into one.

[PigLickJF]

Thing is, with the increasing acceptance of psychics, you'll be seeing fewer mutants. The Dog Boys were created because psi-powers were strictly controlled and not used in the military. Psi-Batt changed that, and now we're likely to see a slow phasing out of Dog Boys.

Skelebots are better cannon fodder, and human psychics work just as well.

Nah, I wouldn't expect to see the Dog Boys being phased out anytime soon. Skelebots may be better cannon fodder and human mages may suffice, but in Dog Boys you combine both of those properties, and then some. They are more intelligent and imaginative than skelebots, more expendable than humans, and they have some specific and useful psychic powers and abilities which are unavailable to human psychics.

Psi-Bat may lessen their role somewhat, but not completely. FOr one thing, the rate at which new Dog Boys can be added to the army is pretty much completely under the control of the CS itself. The same cannot be said of psychic humans. A realtively small percentage of the population even posesses the abilities, and of those, many likely would not pass the necessary screening to get into Psi-Bat. Remember, Psi-Bat is a Special Forces- type organization. The CS still needs a good guaranteed steady supply of psychics, and the Dog Boys are exactly that.

PigLick

[Zer0 Kay]

Why mutate another splice Dog Boys with another critter.

[Svartalf]

Battle cats are too independant and undisciplined ...
monkey boys too smart and curious and likely to meddle in stuff they shouldn't...
Ursa warriors on the other hand tend to be too dumb to be effective in complex/stressful situation....

None is sutable for mass production by the CS

[Daniel Stoker]

I'm there with the none of the above group. Though I COULD see Dr. Bradford working on ways to increase or vary the powers that Dog Boys have. Maybe even work on a training process to help channel their potential as they grow so if they need more of one type they just dump more puppies into that 'training' category this month.



Daniel Stoker

[RoadWarriorFWaNK]

actually, Up until I saw a bat up close, I figured the things to be ugly. up close, they are kinda cute (fruit bats), and look like furry pigs.

wrong. bats are ugly as sin.

[R Ditto]

One stray idea that occurred to me once was that Dr. Bradford could possibly combine his "Psi-X" research with Dog Boys or even with Psi-Stalkers.

I do agree that the Ursa Warriors would be good to mass produce if they weren't so limited in the head.

If the CS gets a bit out of control in the sneaky underhanded tactics category, I can see Kill Hounds/Kill Cats getting mass produced and released in areas the CS plans to soften up prior to full scale offensives.

On a side note, such a large scale production/deployment of such dangerous mutants would probably include at least one failsafe to make it easy to terminate them should they get out of control on a large scale, or should they come close to causing trouble the CS doesn't want to deal with. E,g, like if the dangerous mutants ended up going into a blood frenzy of sorts and continued to kill everything to sight even after the enemy is eliminated, which could be bad if there are civilian populations the CS wants to "liberate" from their "empty and misguided lives", or if said civilian population belongs to one of the CS' "friendly neighbors" like NG or FQ.

[PigLickJF]

wrong. bats are ugly as sin.

Depends a great deal on the type of bat. Many of the fruit bats are inded quite cute. They have normal, dog-like noses, small ears, and big eyes. They look a lot like lemurs and other small mammals.

Their wings, however, are a different story. They are always a bit creepy looking, and I agree with the setniment that bats wouldn't be used because people would freak out seeing giant bats flying overhead.

PigLick

[LunarYoma]

Which of the choices do you suppose the CS will use in much greater number in the future?

It is going to be dog boys. Much more controlable in massive numbers than any other mutants, plus much more 'independent' & reliable than skelbots.


want to produce a varienty of mutants. produce dogboys with paticular types of psychic ablities. have dogboy busters & kinetics for example.

[G]

I play the CS smart. They only ever created the most loyal and intelligent animals and would never use anything that wasnt 100% loyal. What does this mean?
-I've limited them to a few dog types
-They never created rats, cats, bears, monkeys, etc.

What did they spend their almost unlimited time and resources doing? They improved the animals they chose to use.
-spies: mini monkeys & birds
-all dog boys are now nullifiers.
-bats, now have seperate arms for wings, look better, & radar isnt detected by devices. Since they will always be in full environmental armor, the looks are hardly necessary. They have been genetically engineered so that all the males are bursters & all the females are zappers. You end up able to grow a loyal creature with natural flight, radar, that can repoduce with both offensive and defensive powers.

[Dead Boy]

I think the best new addition to the mutant population would be Ursa Warriors. Though they have some problems, if you read a little more carefully you'll see that the mental defects are not present in all the bear breeds. Of those in the text program, (remember, they're still in the experimental stage), those of the Brown Bear and Polar Bear breeds have shown to have an adaquate level or brain power and don't slack off on the job.

Though the trusty ol' Dog Boy is an ideal soldier, the Ursas bring something new to the table - brute strength! No matter how big they make a psi hound it will never have Supernatural Strength. The Ursa Warrors on the other hand have that in spades, enableing them to go toe to toe with the baddest of the bad pretty much on their own terms. Make each pack consist of 8 Dog Boys and 2 Ursas, under the command of a Stalker, and you have yourself one hell of a fighting force for darn near any situation!

[grandmaster z0b]

I'm down with the Ursua warrior, I mean even a SAMAS can't haul as much as these big mothers. For shear brute force alone, even if it's just to help build quick defences or lug supplies and ammo then they are worth it.
Infact I'd imagine that the CS would try to mutate Bulls,Oxen or even Mules for their strength as well. I mean it says in the main book that the emporer was thinking of using slave borgs for this purpose - why spend money on capturing and transforming and unwilling slave when you can just make one? I'm sure it's cheaper to mass produce slaves like this which may very well respond to your brainwashing instead of capturing unwilling individuals.

For those that think that it is too much of risk why not just put those explosive chips in their head like in Lone Star and Juicer Uprising? If any get out of line ... BANG!

[The Artist Formerly]

Dogboys to do the hazardous duty and a upgraded MDC kill hound for the nasty stuff.

[Zer0 Kay]

actually, Up until I saw a bat up close, I figured the things to be ugly. up close, they are kinda cute (fruit bats), and look like furry pigs.

wrong. bats are ugly as sin.

What about the foxbat and yes there is one. Or do you just consider anything that looks like a pig to be ugly?

[Zer0 Kay]

SHEEP! THEY WILL MAKE MUTANT SHEEP!!!

That's Baaaad!

"Hey why's the Capt'n always bring the sheep girl with us on long missions?"

"Don't ask me my Daaaady doesn't tell me anything."

[Zer0 Kay]

Moose and Squirrel

Of course they'd have to be prototypes and went rogue so the CS after finding Russia sent for two hunters...

[Borast]

Moose and Squirrel

Try Moose and skvirel...



As for the rest, the best animals are pack animals.

That leaves out almost all cats, almost all birds, etc...

The animals they have modified work because the canine is a pack animal. It craves leadership and community. The cat is not leonid, so it tends to be a solitary hunter. Ursa are also solitary hunters, and outside mating season, bears dislike each other...extremely. Most primates, while not pack animals are social animals, which means ther have no problem joining the community, but will not necessarily obey the person they have been placed under. The bats, well, they are also social animals, but they hunt alone. Finally, the rats...well, rats are social, but they dislike confinement.

If you prove yourself a fool, the dog will still love you. The cat will tolerate you if you keep feeding it, but will loose respect for you. The bear will simply ignore you (or eat you). The monkey will humiliate you. The bat, well, (s)he will put up with you as long as you co-operate and benefit the community.

If they want to mutate anouther race of cannon fodder, you will have to find another species that will love you whatever your faults and no matter how much you screw-up.

[Vrykolas2k]

Being from Alaska, I find it... odd that bears are portrayed as dumb. And that Palladium decided that dogs have better senses of scent and hearing than a bear. Hearing is about equal actually, and a bear has a much better sense of smell. They are also fairly adept at puzzling thing out, and use their great strength effectively after they do so.

[Dr. Doom III]

I want a mutant borg horse named 30/30.

[Borast]

The ony way your idea would work Alz, is if you created the armour to be radar proof...even a person can show up on radar.

[GaredBattlespike]

I agree with DeadBoy and the others; The Dog Boy will never be replaced-barring some extreme disaster. The Dog Boys are to loyal by nature, and the Human-Canine bond cannot be so easily set aside by most people I know. I'm more of a cat-owner-type myself, but even I'll admit to feeling an odd sense of kindred spirit within most dogs I meet. You cannot buy/build or program that in. It's instinct (15,000 + years of it)


Thanks,
GaredBattlespike

[grandmaster z0b]

Dog Boys will never be replaced, but that wont stop Lone Star building other mutants. Just because dog boys are so loyal dosent mean you wouldn't create other mutants for other purposes, after all humans are very independant and resourceful creatures but slavery works fine if the threat is great enough.
I like the idea of mutant horses - they're endurance alone would be worth it, and they respond well to human masters.