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Hawk258 wrote:Page 162 of the blackmarket Source book.

The Roadrunner armor states it triples the wearers speed.

If no upper limit is stated will it work for an individual with superhuman sonic speed? (Running not flight)

As a GM my knee jerk reaction would be " no" however considering the durability of MDC items I have to rethink my position. I would say "yes" as it isn't beyond current technology to have mechanical items handle several 10's of thousands of RPM's with very little wear.

With that in mind a speedster capable of Mach 1+ 20 mph per level of experience could potentially hit mach 3+

What do you think?

The Beast wrote:Having said that, I can't see Bandito being able to make a power armor that could run that fast when there aren't any power armors that (AFAIK) have a running speed above 100 mph.

Mack wrote:I agree with Beast’s sentiment. I don’t believe the author intended to include Superhuman Sonic Speed.

ShadowLogan wrote:

Hawk258 wrote:Page 162 of the blackmarket Source book.

The Roadrunner armor states it triples the wearers speed.

If no upper limit is stated will it work for an individual with superhuman sonic speed? (Running not flight)

As a GM my knee jerk reaction would be " no" however considering the durability of MDC items I have to rethink my position. I would say "yes" as it isn't beyond current technology to have mechanical items handle several 10's of thousands of RPM's with very little wear.

With that in mind a speedster capable of Mach 1+ 20 mph per level of experience could potentially hit mach 3+

What do you think?

I do agree with The Beast, there likely is a limit one that isn't being considered as its treated as common sense by the writers. That said if we just go with what's been written then yes, and this isn't the only instance a bicycle has a x2 modifier to the SPD attribute to determine its speed.

The Beast wrote:Having said that, I can't see Bandito being able to make a power armor that could run that fast when there aren't any power armors that (AFAIK) have a running speed above 100 mph.

Northern Gun Samson Power Armor (Main/RUE) top running speed of 150mph, Kittani K-Universal Power Armor (WB2) tops out at 170mph. Triax Terrain Hopper PA (SB1/WB5) tops out at 170mph using Power Jumping (which involves running), and Quebec has two suits in WB22 via this method (150 & 180mph)

Additionally one of the MiO GB suits lists a top speed of 120mph, not to mention the Kittani Equistrian (144mph) and Kittani Raptor (170mph). The Kittani suits are more like robots than power armor though. Some drone/AI bots (power armor scale) can also breach 100mph running, though a few are non-humanoid. There aren't many giant robots either that breach 100mph either.

So if one is looking for a limiter, I'd put it at 200mph

Hawk258 wrote:

ShadowLogan wrote:

Hawk258 wrote:Page 162 of the blackmarket Source book.

The Roadrunner armor states it triples the wearers speed.

If no upper limit is stated will it work for an individual with superhuman sonic speed? (Running not flight)

As a GM my knee jerk reaction would be " no" however considering the durability of MDC items I have to rethink my position. I would say "yes" as it isn't beyond current technology to have mechanical items handle several 10's of thousands of RPM's with very little wear.

With that in mind a speedster capable of Mach 1+ 20 mph per level of experience could potentially hit mach 3+

What do you think?

I do agree with The Beast, there likely is a limit one that isn't being considered as its treated as common sense by the writers. That said if we just go with what's been written then yes, and this isn't the only instance a bicycle has a x2 modifier to the SPD attribute to determine its speed.

The Beast wrote:Having said that, I can't see Bandito being able to make a power armor that could run that fast when there aren't any power armors that (AFAIK) have a running speed above 100 mph.

Northern Gun Samson Power Armor (Main/RUE) top running speed of 150mph, Kittani K-Universal Power Armor (WB2) tops out at 170mph. Triax Terrain Hopper PA (SB1/WB5) tops out at 170mph using Power Jumping (which involves running), and Quebec has two suits in WB22 via this method (150 & 180mph)

Additionally one of the MiO GB suits lists a top speed of 120mph, not to mention the Kittani Equistrian (144mph) and Kittani Raptor (170mph). The Kittani suits are more like robots than power armor though. Some drone/AI bots (power armor scale) can also breach 100mph running, though a few are non-humanoid. There aren't many giant robots either that breach 100mph either.

So if one is looking for a limiter, I'd put it at 200mph

Again I would have agreed initially but the weigh to power ratio is not being considered. Roadrunner = 101 lb most glitterboy models 1 ton plus. 60 to 90 mph

The weight of a point glitterboy frame takes both rotational force (humanoid legs) and moves them at extreme speeds and force. If you take the weight consideration out you can change "force" into rotation speed.

19/20ths less weight = near zero impact force, and converted into rotation/strides.

Hawk258 wrote:

ShadowLogan wrote:

Hawk258 wrote:Page 162 of the blackmarket Source book.

The Roadrunner armor states it triples the wearers speed.

If no upper limit is stated will it work for an individual with superhuman sonic speed? (Running not flight)

As a GM my knee jerk reaction would be " no" however considering the durability of MDC items I have to rethink my position. I would say "yes" as it isn't beyond current technology to have mechanical items handle several 10's of thousands of RPM's with very little wear.

With that in mind a speedster capable of Mach 1+ 20 mph per level of experience could potentially hit mach 3+

What do you think?

I do agree with The Beast, there likely is a limit one that isn't being considered as its treated as common sense by the writers. That said if we just go with what's been written then yes, and this isn't the only instance a bicycle has a x2 modifier to the SPD attribute to determine its speed.

The Beast wrote:Having said that, I can't see Bandito being able to make a power armor that could run that fast when there aren't any power armors that (AFAIK) have a running speed above 100 mph.

Northern Gun Samson Power Armor (Main/RUE) top running speed of 150mph, Kittani K-Universal Power Armor (WB2) tops out at 170mph. Triax Terrain Hopper PA (SB1/WB5) tops out at 170mph using Power Jumping (which involves running), and Quebec has two suits in WB22 via this method (150 & 180mph)

Additionally one of the MiO GB suits lists a top speed of 120mph, not to mention the Kittani Equistrian (144mph) and Kittani Raptor (170mph). The Kittani suits are more like robots than power armor though. Some drone/AI bots (power armor scale) can also breach 100mph running, though a few are non-humanoid. There aren't many giant robots either that breach 100mph either.

So if one is looking for a limiter, I'd put it at 200mph

Again I would have agreed initially but the weigh to power ratio is not being considered. Roadrunner = 101 lb most glitterboy models 1 ton plus. 60 to 90 mph

The weight of a point glitterboy frame takes both rotational force (humanoid legs) and moves them at extreme speeds and force. If you take the weight consideration out you can change "force" into rotation speed.

19/20ths less weight = near zero impact force, and converted into rotation/strides.

Hawk258 wrote:

taalismn wrote:I foresee that Roadrunner armor flying apart at the legs and sending the pilot tumbling downroad for one serious case of road-rash.

But it doesn't crumble under it's own weight at 2000 lb and 90 mph? In a variety of glitterboy models?

The Roadrunner is 95% lighter.

dreicunan wrote:I'd have to go looking for evidence, but I always recalled that the x2 or x3 speed modifiers only increased the actual SPD stat speed, not any power granted speed. Extraordinary speed or Supersonic speed don't increase the SPD stat, so they would not be increased by the roadrunner (or a bicycle).

taalismn wrote:

Hawk258 wrote:

taalismn wrote:I foresee that Roadrunner armor flying apart at the legs and sending the pilot tumbling downroad for one serious case of road-rash.

But it doesn't crumble under it's own weight at 2000 lb and 90 mph? In a variety of glitterboy models?

The Roadrunner is 95% lighter.

Perhaps not under normal operations, but with a pilot with Supersonic Running Speed inside?
I'd rule that metal gimpsuit's going to bust something.

ShadowLogan wrote:

dreicunan wrote:I'd have to go looking for evidence, but I always recalled that the x2 or x3 speed modifiers only increased the actual SPD stat speed, not any power granted speed. Extraordinary speed or Supersonic speed don't increase the SPD stat, so they would not be increased by the roadrunner (or a bicycle).

But you can express the EO:S and SSS powers in terms of the Spd stat.

dreicunan wrote:I'd have to go looking for evidence, but I always recalled that the x2 or x3 speed modifiers only increased the actual SPD stat speed, not any power granted speed. Extraordinary speed or Supersonic speed don't increase the SPD stat, so they would not be increased by the roadrunner (or a bicycle).

Blue_Lion wrote:

taalismn wrote:

Hawk258 wrote:

taalismn wrote:I foresee that Roadrunner armor flying apart at the legs and sending the pilot tumbling downroad for one serious case of road-rash.

But it doesn't crumble under it's own weight at 2000 lb and 90 mph? In a variety of glitterboy models?

The Roadrunner is 95% lighter.

Perhaps not under normal operations, but with a pilot with Supersonic Running Speed inside?
I'd rule that metal gimpsuit's going to bust something.

Also often making something lighter can come at the cost of durability. MDC materials are all ready light weight so to make it lighter could very well mean it is less rugged.

dreicunan wrote:

ShadowLogan wrote:

dreicunan wrote:I'd have to go looking for evidence, but I always recalled that the x2 or x3 speed modifiers only increased the actual SPD stat speed, not any power granted speed. Extraordinary speed or Supersonic speed don't increase the SPD stat, so they would not be increased by the roadrunner (or a bicycle).

But you can express the EO:S and SSS powers in terms of the Spd stat.

Sure, one could, but Palladium didn't. If I have time I'll try to find the evidence later.

CyCo wrote:Fast is ok, but what about the pilots agility? At that speed (or anything near it), can they dodge things in their path? Sure, sdc things won't survive the impact (most probably), but what about that mdc apc that he didn't see was in his way behind the wooden barn? Also, is the character an sdc or mdc being? Blunt trauma is a thing, and they may manage to run 'through' a forested area, reducing many trees to toothpicks, but the damage they take from all the multiple impacts??? They might be mush on the inside of their armour by the time it grinds to a stop.

Hawk258 wrote:In fact as noted there is a Power issue to consider as well.

With 1/10th to 1/20 the weight a frame with "comparible" hardware 26 RPS strength vs 30 RPS would have similar power outputs.

Once you reduce weight you can increase SPEED.

Usually conveyed in Horsepower.

For samson it has: 1581HP
Point glitterboy has: 542 hp
And speedster has: 16,000 hp

HP = moving 55 lb 1 foot in 1 second.


At 251 lb and 1581 hp, I could cover a quarter mile in 3.5 seconds. (252 mph) with a gearing system of 1:3 ratio 771 mph. And a 1:9 ratio would be 2300 mph (roughly)

Hawk258 wrote:

dreicunan wrote:

ShadowLogan wrote:

dreicunan wrote:I'd have to go looking for evidence, but I always recalled that the x2 or x3 speed modifiers only increased the actual SPD stat speed, not any power granted speed. Extraordinary speed or Supersonic speed don't increase the SPD stat, so they would not be increased by the roadrunner (or a bicycle).

But you can express the EO:S and SSS powers in terms of the Spd stat.

Sure, one could, but Palladium didn't. If I have time I'll try to find the evidence later.

As speed is how fast your character can run in 1 minute/15 seconds (spd stat x20/5) the sonic speed power becomes your new stat. 983.

dreicunan wrote:

Hawk258 wrote:

dreicunan wrote:

ShadowLogan wrote:

dreicunan wrote:I'd have to go looking for evidence, but I always recalled that the x2 or x3 speed modifiers only increased the actual SPD stat speed, not any power granted speed. Extraordinary speed or Supersonic speed don't increase the SPD stat, so they would not be increased by the roadrunner (or a bicycle).

But you can express the EO:S and SSS powers in terms of the Spd stat.

Sure, one could, but Palladium didn't. If I have time I'll try to find the evidence later.

As speed is how fast your character can run in 1 minute/15 seconds (spd stat x20/5) the sonic speed power becomes your new stat. 983.

Well, no, it doesn't. Your SPD stat remains your SPD stat, which would be important to know if you were hit by, say, negate super powers.

Hawk258 wrote:

dreicunan wrote:Well, no, it doesn't. Your SPD stat remains your SPD stat, which would be important to know if you were hit by, say, negate super powers.

I found it, and based on the limitations it cannot effect, bionics, magic, psychic, or physical traits or training.

So my interpretation is this:
If the power is directly linked to the players main physical stats
ME
MA
PE
PS
PB
PP
SPD

it doesn't work

However
Alter physical form
Energy expulsion
Invulnerability
Control
Ect are

dreicunan wrote:

Hawk258 wrote:

dreicunan wrote:Well, no, it doesn't. Your SPD stat remains your SPD stat, which would be important to know if you were hit by, say, negate super powers.

I found it, and based on the limitations it cannot effect, bionics, magic, psychic, or physical traits or training.

So my interpretation is this:
If the power is directly linked to the players main physical stats
ME
MA
PE
PS
PB
PP
SPD

it doesn't work

However
Alter physical form
Energy expulsion
Invulnerability
Control
Ect are

Well, your interpretation is wrong. The test isn't what the power affects or to what it is "linked," but if it is a super-ability/power or not. If it is, it is negated. If it isn't, then it is not.

The only room for interpretation is if super-abilities granted by magic sources (weapons, objects, mystically bestowed) or super-tech can be negated.

dreicunan wrote:Sure, one could, but Palladium didn't. If I have time I'll try to find the evidence later.

Hawk258 wrote:Right, and in this case it actually makes zero logic either by definition or by game rules to disallow it as all power armors increase "normal" users spd ability 3 times.

As there Is no Express limit on the Roadrunner. Not something KS Usually misses in editing he always reminds you IF there is a limit if he wants a limit in place.

In most examples if KS has something in the books the "limit" is often noted.

ShadowLogan wrote:

dreicunan wrote:Sure, one could, but Palladium didn't. If I have time I'll try to find the evidence later.

I agree. I am just stating that the Speed Attribute Stat can be expressed/extrapolated from these powers.

The Spd Attribute on the surface doesn't appear very relatable, but when you do a bit of math you find it can be much more useful than "Bob can run 100mph/160kph", since at least for us English unit users it works out to ft/sec.

Hawk258 wrote:Right, and in this case it actually makes zero logic either by definition or by game rules to disallow it as all power armors increase "normal" users spd ability 3 times.

As there Is no Express limit on the Roadrunner. Not something KS Usually misses in editing he always reminds you IF there is a limit if he wants a limit in place.

In most examples if KS has something in the books the "limit" is often noted.

Actually it makes sense to put a logical limit on the Roadrunner even if it is not stated as such.

The Robot RCC rules found in SB1 (o/r, pg94o) do allow for it to be used to create an accessory unit (this would be piloted examples that include Giant Robots and Power Armor and is specifically called out). The Robot RCC rules also place a limit on the humanoid leg speed (Spd Attribute of 220 or 150mph, foudn on pg101 SB1o), that applies to all kinds of Robots (power armor included), and 'Borgs have a lower speed limit.

The only Power Armor Examples that exceed a ground movement speed of 150mph are all using some form of thruster assistance to go even faster OR aren't humanoid designs (which have a higher limit).

Logically the Roadrunner Suit is going to be designed with a certain type of user range in mind, and someone with the super powers of EO:S or SSS are not likley to be it as they are going to be very rare on Rifts Earth.

You have a lot more faith in KS's editing than I do. Things get missed and corrected. There is a thing called errata, guardiandashi mentions the issue is addressed in a Rifter Errata Q&A but doesn't know which one (post #57 though).

Hawk258 wrote:

Blue_Lion wrote:

Hawk258 wrote:In fact as noted there is a Power issue to consider as well.

With 1/10th to 1/20 the weight a frame with "comparible" hardware 26 RPS strength vs 30 RPS would have similar power outputs.

Once you reduce weight you can increase SPEED.

Usually conveyed in Horsepower.

For samson it has: 1581HP
Point glitterboy has: 542 hp
And speedster has: 16,000 hp

HP = moving 55 lb 1 foot in 1 second.


At 251 lb and 1581 hp, I could cover a quarter mile in 3.5 seconds. (252 mph) with a gearing system of 1:3 ratio 771 mph. And a 1:9 ratio would be 2300 mph (roughly)

What provides the horse power in the road runner?
Is it not the runners legs. How does gearing affect a runners legs.
(If the source of the horse power was PA it would have a fixed speed.)

To increase speed once max effective cadence(steps per minute) is reached you need to increase stride distance. This is the same principle that is used in gearing. gears increase or decrease the distance traveled per rotation/movement.

There are only a few ways to affect the speed of a runner with outside mechanical aid. the most common are increase conservation of energy, provide additional hp, or increase the size of levers(legs). If this was increased HP that would provide a limited boost of speed. The closest way to do increase gearing would be to change the lever size.

There is more to horse power than just speed, it includes torque. HP is the amount of force available at a low gear you have high torque but low speed, at a high gear you have a high speed low torque HP is a marketing ploy developed to sale things. (I have seen different people credited with creating the measurement,


Your HP stat seams off although there are several different HP out there the most common one used now is metric HP moving 75 kilograms 1 meter per second. That would be 150 pounds 3.3 feet per second. Mechanical HP (us measurement) is about 33,000 1 per minute or about 550 lbs 1 foot per second. (energy value depends on the which HP you are using but ranges from 735w to 746. Boiler HP is an outlier at around 9812 w).


Regardless of how much gearing you have there is a limit to how fast you can travel based off HP. Gearing does not increase energy.

The horsepower is provided by the same system as other power armor (26 robot ps)

Horsepower is not a "fixed" value. It is dynamic. Just like a vehicle weight and gearing can change a vehicles horsepower and speed.

Reduce weight increase speed
Change the gear ratio get more output turns.

A gear is a lever by the way read some basic science. 1:9 ratio = 1 inch input 9 inches out.

And I agree there should be a limit, However when you consider how much power an engine puts out on it's own vs gearing there is a shift from torque to horsepower.

This why dragracers run different gears In the rear axle.

And why a reduction of 900 lb weight is valid. If a drive system doesn't have to move 1000 lb that force can be used for higher output speed. No sheer force or weight resistance.

As stated put 40lbs on and try running, you lose speed... same priciple .

Now get on a 21 speed bike, your top speed increases at LEAST 3 times with the same input.

You being the power source and unaltered you speed changes accordingly

Add in that bionics (micro motors) have the ability to output robotic strength, I don't think power is an issue and with mdc materials? Rotational force is less damaging than impact force or shearing force.

Blue_Lion wrote:

Hawk258 wrote:

Blue_Lion wrote:

Hawk258 wrote:In fact as noted there is a Power issue to consider as well.

With 1/10th to 1/20 the weight a frame with "comparible" hardware 26 RPS strength vs 30 RPS would have similar power outputs.

Once you reduce weight you can increase SPEED.

Usually conveyed in Horsepower.

For samson it has: 1581HP
Point glitterboy has: 542 hp
And speedster has: 16,000 hp

HP = moving 55 lb 1 foot in 1 second.


At 251 lb and 1581 hp, I could cover a quarter mile in 3.5 seconds. (252 mph) with a gearing system of 1:3 ratio 771 mph. And a 1:9 ratio would be 2300 mph (roughly)

What provides the horse power in the road runner?
Is it not the runners legs. How does gearing affect a runners legs.
(If the source of the horse power was PA it would have a fixed speed.)

To increase speed once max effective cadence(steps per minute) is reached you need to increase stride distance. This is the same principle that is used in gearing. gears increase or decrease the distance traveled per rotation/movement.

There are only a few ways to affect the speed of a runner with outside mechanical aid. the most common are increase conservation of energy, provide additional hp, or increase the size of levers(legs). If this was increased HP that would provide a limited boost of speed. The closest way to do increase gearing would be to change the lever size.

There is more to horse power than just speed, it includes torque. HP is the amount of force available at a low gear you have high torque but low speed, at a high gear you have a high speed low torque HP is a marketing ploy developed to sale things. (I have seen different people credited with creating the measurement,


Your HP stat seams off although there are several different HP out there the most common one used now is metric HP moving 75 kilograms 1 meter per second. That would be 150 pounds 3.3 feet per second. Mechanical HP (us measurement) is about 33,000 1 per minute or about 550 lbs 1 foot per second. (energy value depends on the which HP you are using but ranges from 735w to 746. Boiler HP is an outlier at around 9812 w).


Regardless of how much gearing you have there is a limit to how fast you can travel based off HP. Gearing does not increase energy.

The horsepower is provided by the same system as other power armor (26 robot ps)

Horsepower is not a "fixed" value. It is dynamic. Just like a vehicle weight and gearing can change a vehicles horsepower and speed.

Reduce weight increase speed
Change the gear ratio get more output turns.

A gear is a lever by the way read some basic science. 1:9 ratio = 1 inch input 9 inches out.

And I agree there should be a limit, However when you consider how much power an engine puts out on it's own vs gearing there is a shift from torque to horsepower.

This why dragracers run different gears In the rear axle.

And why a reduction of 900 lb weight is valid. If a drive system doesn't have to move 1000 lb that force can be used for higher output speed. No sheer force or weight resistance.

As stated put 40lbs on and try running, you lose speed... same priciple .

Now get on a 21 speed bike, your top speed increases at LEAST 3 times with the same input.

You being the power source and unaltered you speed changes accordingly

Add in that bionics (micro motors) have the ability to output robotic strength, I don't think power is an issue and with mdc materials? Rotational force is less damaging than impact force or shearing force.

If the robotic strength produced the hose power for running it would be a fixed speed like you see in most PA.


Gearing does not increase horse power. It affects speed to torque ratio. The horse power of a car engine is a fixed value gearing does not change a cars horse power.
Horse power is a combination of torque and speed, increase torque you decrease speed, decrease torque you increase speed. That is why it easer to tow things in low gear. YOu have more pulling power but less speed.

Hawk258 wrote:1 hp × 1 rpm = 5252 torque (ft - lb)
1 hp x 9 rpm = 583 torque. (Ft-lb)

See?

As the need for torque drops (weight reduction) rotational speed can be increased.

Hawk258 wrote:I agree it should be a GM's decision.

However I don't believe "outperform" is a fair or honest description in this specific case.

Hawk258 wrote:I strongly urge GM's to take some time and consider the math and physics before knee jerking an automatic "no".

Hawk258 wrote:Check the math and physics I have listed. Learn some basics of Horsepower, torque, and Gear ratios as well as impact and sheering force.

I believe that once you understand these basic concepts (which are put in practice everyday in the real world) you will understand why I shared this.

Hawk258 wrote:I agree it should be a GM's decision.

However I don't believe "outperform" is a fair or honest description in this specific case.

I strongly urge GM's to take some time and consider the math and physics before knee jerking an automatic "no".

Check the math and physics I have listed. Learn some basics of Horsepower, torque, and Gear ratios as well as impact and sheering force.

I believe that once you understand these basic concepts (which are put in practice everyday in the real world) you will understand why I shared this.

Mack wrote:Friends,

Applying real-world physics or science to Rifts will always be a fruitless endeavor. Those rules simply are not part of the foundation.

Arguing about their application is likewise fruitless.

Mack wrote:Friends,

Applying real-world physics or science to Rifts will always be a fruitless endeavor. Those rules simply are not part of the foundation.

Arguing about their application is likewise fruitless.

ShadowLogan wrote:

Hawk258 wrote:Page 162 of the blackmarket Source book.

The Roadrunner armor states it triples the wearers speed.

If no upper limit is stated will it work for an individual with superhuman sonic speed? (Running not flight)

As a GM my knee jerk reaction would be " no" however considering the durability of MDC items I have to rethink my position. I would say "yes" as it isn't beyond current technology to have mechanical items handle several 10's of thousands of RPM's with very little wear.

With that in mind a speedster capable of Mach 1+ 20 mph per level of experience could potentially hit mach 3+

What do you think?

I do agree with The Beast, there likely is a limit one that isn't being considered as its treated as common sense by the writers. That said if we just go with what's been written then yes, and this isn't the only instance a bicycle has a x2 modifier to the SPD attribute to determine its speed.

The Beast wrote:Having said that, I can't see Bandito being able to make a power armor that could run that fast when there aren't any power armors that (AFAIK) have a running speed above 100 mph.

Northern Gun Samson Power Armor (Main/RUE) top running speed of 150mph, Kittani K-Universal Power Armor (WB2) tops out at 170mph. Triax Terrain Hopper PA (SB1/WB5) tops out at 170mph using Power Jumping (which involves running), and Quebec has two suits in WB22 via this method (150 & 180mph)

Additionally one of the MiO GB suits lists a top speed of 120mph, not to mention the Kittani Equistrian (144mph) and Kittani Raptor (170mph). The Kittani suits are more like robots than power armor though. Some drone/AI bots (power armor scale) can also breach 100mph running, though a few are non-humanoid. There aren't many giant robots either that breach 100mph either.

So if one is looking for a limiter, I'd put it at 200mph

Hawk258 wrote:

ShadowLogan wrote:

Hawk258 wrote:Page 162 of the blackmarket Source book.

The Roadrunner armor states it triples the wearers speed.

If no upper limit is stated will it work for an individual with superhuman sonic speed? (Running not flight)

As a GM my knee jerk reaction would be " no" however considering the durability of MDC items I have to rethink my position. I would say "yes" as it isn't beyond current technology to have mechanical items handle several 10's of thousands of RPM's with very little wear.

With that in mind a speedster capable of Mach 1+ 20 mph per level of experience could potentially hit mach 3+

What do you think?

I do agree with The Beast, there likely is a limit one that isn't being considered as its treated as common sense by the writers. That said if we just go with what's been written then yes, and this isn't the only instance a bicycle has a x2 modifier to the SPD attribute to determine its speed.

The Beast wrote:Having said that, I can't see Bandito being able to make a power armor that could run that fast when there aren't any power armors that (AFAIK) have a running speed above 100 mph.

Northern Gun Samson Power Armor (Main/RUE) top running speed of 150mph, Kittani K-Universal Power Armor (WB2) tops out at 170mph. Triax Terrain Hopper PA (SB1/WB5) tops out at 170mph using Power Jumping (which involves running), and Quebec has two suits in WB22 via this method (150 & 180mph)

Additionally one of the MiO GB suits lists a top speed of 120mph, not to mention the Kittani Equistrian (144mph) and Kittani Raptor (170mph). The Kittani suits are more like robots than power armor though. Some drone/AI bots (power armor scale) can also breach 100mph running, though a few are non-humanoid. There aren't many giant robots either that breach 100mph either.

So if one is looking for a limiter, I'd put it at 200mph

And as far as I am aware this is the ONLY example of power armor with style of speed stat modifications and Robot strength at 26.