Vampires VS Murder-Wraith

[Astral Pantheon]

How many secondary Vampires (5th level Average) could a Titan Murder-Wraith (5th level and Average stats) defeat in an all out beat down fight??

Note- HP/SDC average bonus: 1300 for the Titan

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Evil verse Evil

[csbioborg]

more than 8 I will tell you that assuming they don't turn into fog and run like anybody sensible

[Shark_Force]

does the murder-wraith have access to a bunch of pointy sticks? because if so, you're basically going to see a lot of one-shot "kills" for the wraith, unless of course the wraith isn't immune to vampire hypnotism (i kinda figured they would be, but it's been quite a while since i looked at them - honestly, a simple helmet with a built-in HUD that runs from a camera should technically make them immune anyways, though.

[Astral Pantheon]

Wild-Secondary-Master?

Secondary Vampires

[Daeroos]

The murder wraith would be a killing machine in most respects. Keep all juicer abilities, get an additional +2 to save vs psionics/magic (so would be difficult to control by the vampires), would get about as many attacks as 2 of the vampires (and with stakes that could be dangerous), auto-dodge vs attacks. Says normally Vampires don't wear armor/use technology where Juicers do. MW regenerates faster than vampires and has more hp. Just so many advantages going in the MW favor.

[Lenwen]

I said 5 vampire's due to his more HP's autododge and faster regeneration . However .. even the MW would fall to too many Vampires . And I put that number at 6 or more vampire's against a single MW .. And that is only if the 5 vamp's do not all attack in unison .. if only they attack 1 at a time. otherwise it may be a different outccome .

[Astral Pantheon]

I'll run a mock up battle later today and tell Everyone the out come

[Shark_Force]

my main thing is that it's basically going to be very one-sided fights. basically, you'll either have the titan juicer murder wraith curb stomp all the vampires, or they manage to hypnotise him and it's over. of course, if murder-wraiths have any reliable defense against the hypnotic gaze (like, say, mind block), that's pretty much going to end it for the vampires.

[Astral Pantheon]

I'll run a mock up battle later today and tell Everyone the out come

The Mock Battle, beat down without powers, the Titan was able to take 7 but in 8 on one (and multiple natural 20) the mw Titan fall after killing 6

[Mack]

A horde of vampires should be able to use swarming tactics and simply overwhelm the Murder Wraith, even if he has a higher PS. He may kill one or two, but that's about it.

Especially with secondary vamps. Wild vamps might be dumb enough to lose, but secondary vamps will use their intelligence.

[Astral Pantheon]

A horde of vampires should be able to use swarming tactics and simply overwhelm the Murder Wraith, even if he has a higher PS. He may kill one or two, but that's about it.

Especially with secondary vamps. Wild vamps might be dumb enough to lose, but secondary vamps will use their intelligence.

That is true, but this was a blow for blow example. If you bring swarming into the example then hypnotism would come in then the wraith would get to use Anti-vampire tactics...this could become a big pot of what ifs.....