Rune Sword - Armageddon

[V-Origin]

Yes.

What kind of stats would you give to a greatest rune sword which contains the essence of Armageddon found in Rifts Africa?

Assuming that the gods of light conspired to capture him and hold his essence in a Rune Sword?

[Starmage21]

The Armageddon Creature might spell doom for Rifts Earth once the 4 horsemen unite, but that doesnt mean he is a force which is unbeatable in an infinite megaverse. I have no doubt that Splynn or other big bad supernaturals can wipe the planet clean if motivated to, they just arent.

It is my opinion that the armageddon creature would merely be the source for another greatest rune weapon, much like the other gods and super big bads in the universe.

[Ice Dragon]

This thing found be evil incarnated, a soul drinker with necromantic powers and a lot more.

[Lenwen]

A rune weapon with that being in it .. would be above an beyond more powerful then 99% of the most powerful rune weapons in exsistance ..

[Mack]

It would make everyone (including the supernatural) within a half-mile spontaneously lose control of their bodily functions.

[Looonatic]

Such a rune weapon would spontaneously transform into a delicious looking cinnamon bun. But if you eat it, you metamorphose into a lycanthropic half-man half-duck creature that terrorizes the landscape looking for handouts of bread and lettuce.

[Mack]

Such a rune weapon would spontaneously transform into a delicious looking cinnamon bun. But if you eat it, you metamorphose into a lycanthropic half-man half-duck creature that terrorizes the landscape looking for handouts of bread and lettuce.

Does your name become Howard?

[Looonatic]

Such a rune weapon would spontaneously transform into a delicious looking cinnamon bun. But if you eat it, you metamorphose into a lycanthropic half-man half-duck creature that terrorizes the landscape looking for handouts of bread and lettuce.

Does your name become Howard?

Now you're just being silly.

[csbioborg]

Honestly considering every High lord worth his salt has a greatest rune weapon it should have some epic powers at least on bar with castrake

[Looonatic]

Honestly considering every High lord worth his salt has a greatest rune weapon it should have some epic powers at least on bar with castrake

For the love of all that is holy, please tell me that isn't a Rune garden tool that removes genitals.

[Shark_Force]

Honestly considering every High lord worth his salt has a greatest rune weapon it should have some epic powers at least on bar with castrake

For the love of all that is holy, please tell me that isn't a Rune garden tool that removes genitals.

heh. i think he actually meant castlerake, which removes towers that may slightly resemble said genitals though

[Nightmask]

A rune weapon with that being in it .. would be above an beyond more powerful then 99% of the most powerful rune weapons in exsistance ..

Not likely, even greatest rune weapons severely damp down the power. Just look at the Tarnoz (or however it's spelled) Crystal. It is one of the few (maybe only) Rune weapons directly stated to contain an alien intelligence, one something like 25% more powerful than any currently known and putting it closer to the Old Ones level of power yet it's power isn't significantly above that of other greatest rune items. It even includes elements in the enchantment that force the Alien Intelligence to actively resist any attempt to destroy its prison and free it.

[Starmage21]

A rune weapon with that being in it .. would be above an beyond more powerful then 99% of the most powerful rune weapons in exsistance ..

Not likely, even greatest rune weapons severely damp down the power. Just look at the Tarnoz (or however it's spelled) Crystal. It is one of the few (maybe only) Rune weapons directly stated to contain an alien intelligence, one something like 25% more powerful than any currently known and putting it closer to the Old Ones level of power yet it's power isn't significantly above that of other greatest rune items. It even includes elements in the enchantment that force the Alien Intelligence to actively resist any attempt to destroy its prison and free it.

This is primarily my basis for comparison as well. Greatest Rune Artifacts are powered by beings with serious supernatural mojo.

[Nightmask]

A rune weapon with that being in it .. would be above an beyond more powerful then 99% of the most powerful rune weapons in exsistance ..

Not likely, even greatest rune weapons severely damp down the power. Just look at the Tarnoz (or however it's spelled) Crystal. It is one of the few (maybe only) Rune weapons directly stated to contain an alien intelligence, one something like 25% more powerful than any currently known and putting it closer to the Old Ones level of power yet it's power isn't significantly above that of other greatest rune items. It even includes elements in the enchantment that force the Alien Intelligence to actively resist any attempt to destroy its prison and free it.

This is primarily my basis for comparison as well. Greatest Rune Artifacts are powered by beings with serious supernatural mojo.

And with an example of one that's at least as powerful as Armageddon being imprisoned it's pretty clear that you'd have to have an Old One or greater to have some chance of a Rune Weapon being significantly more powerful than even the greatest of greatest rune weapons currently known. Those rune items really even out things once someone's imprisoned. Of course the main problem is you have to incapacitate the target long enough to imprison them and how do you manage to restrain something like Armageddon long enough to bind it?

Of course not likely anyone would try of those known to have Rune magic, as it'd be an incredibly good thing for the multiverse making it impossible for the Four Horsemen to ever manifest again to threaten existence.

[SolCannibal]

A rune weapon with that being in it .. would be above an beyond more powerful then 99% of the most powerful rune weapons in exsistance ..

Not likely, even greatest rune weapons severely damp down the power. Just look at the Tarnoz (or however it's spelled) Crystal. It is one of the few (maybe only) Rune weapons directly stated to contain an alien intelligence, one something like 25% more powerful than any currently known and putting it closer to the Old Ones level of power yet it's power isn't significantly above that of other greatest rune items. It even includes elements in the enchantment that force the Alien Intelligence to actively resist any attempt to destroy its prison and free it.

This is primarily my basis for comparison as well. Greatest Rune Artifacts are powered by beings with serious supernatural mojo.

And that kind of stuff makes me think of a game involving some adventurer hunting for a particular Rune Weapon through the Megaverse to free its world ancient god or something just as extreme.

About the good for the Megaverse if the Apocalypse composite demon was sealed in a Rune Weapon, think of the bad if someone like Toth was sealed.

[Nightmask]

A rune weapon with that being in it .. would be above an beyond more powerful then 99% of the most powerful rune weapons in exsistance ..

Not likely, even greatest rune weapons severely damp down the power. Just look at the Tarnoz (or however it's spelled) Crystal. It is one of the few (maybe only) Rune weapons directly stated to contain an alien intelligence, one something like 25% more powerful than any currently known and putting it closer to the Old Ones level of power yet it's power isn't significantly above that of other greatest rune items. It even includes elements in the enchantment that force the Alien Intelligence to actively resist any attempt to destroy its prison and free it.

This is primarily my basis for comparison as well. Greatest Rune Artifacts are powered by beings with serious supernatural mojo.

And that kind of stuff makes me think of a game involving some adventurer hunting for a particular Rune Weapon through the Megaverse to free its world ancient god or something just as extreme.

About the good for the Megaverse if the Apocalypse composite demon was sealed in a Rune Weapon, think of the bad if someone like Toth was sealed.

Do you mean Thoth? In a sense he's already a seal, since he's originally Xy. Thoth is 'Sealed Evil In A Can', where the old evil was run through a special Rune Circle that reshaped and bound him permanently into the form of Thoth.

Given there have been a few magics come up since Rune Weapons were originally introduced (like the Cauldrons of the Scathath Druids) that can destroy them the question is 'does destroying the weapon destroy the trapped being within?'. While the Tarnov Crystal explicitly would release its prisoner it's also the only Rune item (outside of the lesser blades made by Zanji masters in Rifts: Japan) that's got MDC and can be destroyed rather than being indestructible, presumably destroying one of those indestructible weapons would kill its prisoner.

[Shark_Force]

Of course not likely anyone would try of those known to have Rune magic, as it'd be an incredibly good thing for the multiverse making it impossible for the Four Horsemen to ever manifest again to threaten existence.

why not? the splugorth can't possibly welcome the prospect of the apocalypse demons invading any of *their* worlds, and it's not like the apocalypse demons are unwilling to completely devalue splynncryth's property on rifts earth. protect your property *and* gain a powerful rune weapon? what's not to like? i mean, don't forget, every rune weapon that the splugorth's minions use is typically going to represent an evil being killed and bound into a rune weapon.

[SolCannibal]

A rune weapon with that being in it .. would be above an beyond more powerful then 99% of the most powerful rune weapons in exsistance ..

Not likely, even greatest rune weapons severely damp down the power. Just look at the Tarnoz (or however it's spelled) Crystal. It is one of the few (maybe only) Rune weapons directly stated to contain an alien intelligence, one something like 25% more powerful than any currently known and putting it closer to the Old Ones level of power yet it's power isn't significantly above that of other greatest rune items. It even includes elements in the enchantment that force the Alien Intelligence to actively resist any attempt to destroy its prison and free it.

This is primarily my basis for comparison as well. Greatest Rune Artifacts are powered by beings with serious supernatural mojo.

And that kind of stuff makes me think of a game involving some adventurer hunting for a particular Rune Weapon through the Megaverse to free its world ancient god or something just as extreme.

About the good for the Megaverse if the Apocalypse composite demon was sealed in a Rune Weapon, think of the bad if someone like Toth was sealed.

Do you mean Thoth? In a sense he's already a seal, since he's originally Xy. Thoth is 'Sealed Evil In A Can', where the old evil was run through a special Rune Circle that reshaped and bound him permanently into the form of Thoth.

Yes, him, and you do have a point but it ain't quite the same i meant. That said i ask myself how some of the "Gods of the Light" of the Megaverse would feel about someone turning their ancient enemies/ancestors into weaponized goodies.

Given there have been a few magics come up since Rune Weapons were originally introduced (like the Cauldrons of the Scathath Druids) that can destroy them the question is 'does destroying the weapon destroy the trapped being within?'. While the Tarnov Crystal explicitly would release its prisoner it's also the only Rune item (outside of the lesser blades made by Zanji masters in Rifts: Japan) that's got MDC and can be destroyed rather than being indestructible, presumably destroying one of those indestructible weapons would kill its prisoner.

Where do i find information about the the Cauldrons, or the Scathath Druids themselves, for that matter?

[csbioborg]

A rune weapon with that being in it .. would be above an beyond more powerful then 99% of the most powerful rune weapons in exsistance ..

Not likely, even greatest rune weapons severely damp down the power. Just look at the Tarnoz (or however it's spelled) Crystal. It is one of the few (maybe only) Rune weapons directly stated to contain an alien intelligence, one something like 25% more powerful than any currently known and putting it closer to the Old Ones level of power yet it's power isn't significantly above that of other greatest rune items. It even includes elements in the enchantment that force the Alien Intelligence to actively resist any attempt to destroy its prison and free it.

so turning a tin army into a modern fighting force by PA standards is comparble to shoots a lightening bolt and returns to your hand

[Nightmask]

This is primarily my basis for comparison as well. Greatest Rune Artifacts are powered by beings with serious supernatural mojo.

And that kind of stuff makes me think of a game involving some adventurer hunting for a particular Rune Weapon through the Megaverse to free its world ancient god or something just as extreme.

About the good for the Megaverse if the Apocalypse composite demon was sealed in a Rune Weapon, think of the bad if someone like Toth was sealed.

Do you mean Thoth? In a sense he's already a seal, since he's originally Xy. Thoth is 'Sealed Evil In A Can', where the old evil was run through a special Rune Circle that reshaped and bound him permanently into the form of Thoth.

Yes, him, and you do have a point but it ain't quite the same i meant. That said i ask myself how some of the "Gods of the Light" of the Megaverse would feel about someone turning their ancient enemies/ancestors into weaponized goodies.

Given at least some of those gods do that themselves I imagine the attitude for them is 'better I get them before they get me', or just a shrug seeing it as just part of the game. One might be personally or professionally affronted if the one entrapped was a friend, lover, or ally and seek revenge/justice but it's not something that they would see as that surprising.

Given there have been a few magics come up since Rune Weapons were originally introduced (like the Cauldrons of the Scathath Druids) that can destroy them the question is 'does destroying the weapon destroy the trapped being within?'. While the Tarnov Crystal explicitly would release its prisoner it's also the only Rune item (outside of the lesser blades made by Zanji masters in Rifts: Japan) that's got MDC and can be destroyed rather than being indestructible, presumably destroying one of those indestructible weapons would kill its prisoner.

Where do i find information about the the Cauldrons, or the Scathath Druids themselves, for that matter?

Rifts: England covers the druids and the magic cauldrons the one variety of druid can craft.

[Nightmask]

A rune weapon with that being in it .. would be above an beyond more powerful then 99% of the most powerful rune weapons in exsistance ..

Not likely, even greatest rune weapons severely damp down the power. Just look at the Tarnoz (or however it's spelled) Crystal. It is one of the few (maybe only) Rune weapons directly stated to contain an alien intelligence, one something like 25% more powerful than any currently known and putting it closer to the Old Ones level of power yet it's power isn't significantly above that of other greatest rune items. It even includes elements in the enchantment that force the Alien Intelligence to actively resist any attempt to destroy its prison and free it.

so turning a tin army into a modern fighting force by PA standards is comparble to shoots a lightening bolt and returns to your hand

It's transmuting SDC materials into MDC materials, which really isn't a big deal when you look at the various spells around that the average spellcaster can work like Ironwood. The Crystal just converts pure metals into MDC materials instead of wood or bone. So yes the crystal being able to cast 'SDC metal to MDC metal' is no different than casting a lightning bolt, returning to your hand, or casting 'Ironwood'.

[csbioborg]

the scale is a tad different is I remember right
its lbs vs tons

[Nightmask]

the scale is a tad different is I remember right
its lbs vs tons

Which doesn't negate the basic facts, you can make a specialized 'Ironwood' that affects tons of wood at once instead of pounds if you wanted to make the research. That one Biomancer spell that makes an SDC forest into a living MDC forest for example affects many tons of plant life at once and pretty cheap on the PPE too. A rune item using an alien intelligence as its power source could easily enough power a custom version of an 'SDC metals to MDC metals' spell that affects tons instead of pounds.

[Failgoat]

Yes.

What kind of stats would you give to a greatest rune sword which contains the essence of Armageddon found in Rifts Africa?

Assuming that the gods of light conspired to capture him and hold his essence in a Rune Sword?

by my interpretation of the gods of light....would they ever do such a thing? i think not. but perhaps i have the wrong perspective.
myself, it would be a very very evil person/group/pantheon that would conspire to do such a thing.
and i would give the sword a unique ability to temporarily summon each individual horseman as a wrath or lich or something, with a rarely used and dangerous ability to temporarily summon the armageddon beast itself. there would have to be serious risk involved with these summonings, but it gives the weapon unique power that other rune weapons wouldnt have