The CS has too mutch/many

[Drakenred®™©]

if you could pick one thing that the CS has too mutch of, what would it be

[Blight]

Ya those cleansing teams are really getting lax.

[Drakenred®™©]

I would say too mutch money to pay for all of it, Granted I do find it odd that they somehow have burbs right freaking next to Chitown that have DBs in them, you would think they would have cleared thoes out during the SOT or just befor at least.

[cornholioprime]

Skele-Bots.

The Forces of Hell only WISH they could field as many "Troops" for so little apparent difficulty or Cost..........

[Braden Campbell]

Troops.

When Quebec succeeded from the Union, Prosek parked 500,000 soldiers on their border within thrity days.

Then, a million men get sent to the Tolkeen Front.

The civilian population of the CS, minus Free Quebec, is about 23.5 million people (Sourcebook One).

So, in oder to field 1.5 million men, the army must therefore comprise 6% of the total population. That is a lot of men and women of prime age taken out of the home and put into harms way. Hell, by the end of the Siege, I bet even the Prosek Youth were out fighting!

[Drakenred®™©]

Troops.

When Quebec succeeded from the Union, Prosek parked 500,000 soldiers on their border within thrity days.

Then, a million men get sent to the Tolkeen Front.

The civilian population of the CS, minus Free Quebec, is about 23.5 million people (Sourcebook One).

So, in oder to field 1.5 million men, the army must therefore comprise 6% of the total population. That is a lot of men and women of prime age taken out of the home and put into harms way. Hell, by the end of the Siege, I bet even the Prosek Youth were out fighting!

Well

11,750,000 Men

and roughly 1 million men who are in the army(allowing for a high percetage of FM in the military

your looking at ~8.5% of your population

and thats not counting forces elswhere in garisons or in training.

[RainOfSteel]

I voted for too much money, but if there had been an "all of the above" category, I would have voted for that.

[Drakenred®™©]

a point

France prior to WWII had a population of around 40 million


By the end of the First World War, a total of 8,317,000 men, including 475,000 colonial troops, had been called up in the French Army. And that is not counting the men in the French Navy or Airforces.

During the war they suffered*
1,070,000 deaths
0,314,000 Missing
3,481,000 woulnded

Leaving them with an Army of 3,452,000 men

so


Now do you know why they considered it the war to end all wars?

*Depending on the source, and yes that means that roughly 11% of the population of France was dead or woulnded in the war.

[Drakenred®™©]

To Many Twinkies, what did they do rebuild Hostess?

Its the old joke, the only things to survive the comeing nuclear holocost will be roaches and Twinkies, but even after the centuries between the comeing of the RIFTS and PA 101-109 their should not be that many left!

[Drakenred®™©]

To Many Skellbots

To Many accumulated Magic items in the Real Black Vault(s)

To Many Enemys

To Many Allies

To Many People

To Many DBs living deep inside CS territory

To Many Twinkies

To Many Money to pay for all this(um bad)

To Many Coffee and Chocolate(Also bad)

[grandmaster z0b]

too many contradictions

[Scooter the Outlaw]

Doesn't it say in CWC that 10% of the population is in the army? I remember it being around that page with the sweet picture of the Super SAMAS fighting that dragon... (I don't have my books here right now) on the other hand, I can't remember what happened five minutes ago, so it's quite possible this was never printed.

[Sureshot]

too many contradictions

There is that. I voted for too much money because there was no "all of the above" option.

[Braden Campbell]

The coffee comes from Columbia, via a trade agreement.

Chances are, the chocolate does too, and that it tastes jsut awful.

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And if the armed forces are 10% of the CS population, and you need 3 support personel for every man on the front line, then the CS will eventually evolve into a hive mind.

[Kalinda]

too many contradictions

There is that. I voted for too much money because there was no "all of the above" option.

I'd vote for 'all of the above' too, but one of the things on the list is 'people.' A lot of the other contradictions in the CS are the result of them having too few people.

[Richter]

Meh, I voted they have too many enemies. Coalition needs more allies!

If the Coalition could team up with NGR, Archie, Ticondiroga, get the Vanguard unofficially mobilized, and just for a LITTLE while, work with Lazlo fighting the Xiticix, then all would be well.

Course, im a dreamer and extremely Coalition biased so...Im sure im the ONLY person voting for that one heh.

[dark brandon]

CS has way too much radness.

I mean, they are so overflowing with Rock and hardcore Roll that when you just read them you get a swift kick in the nads.

If they were any more rad, all books that have anythign to do with CS would explode with fire, unable to contain their coolness.

[Dustin Fireblade]

I'm voting all the above as well.

[Capt. Meschievitz]

too many contradictions

That and the entire Rifts world......so really it has no contradictions.....


CS has too many enemies.....lol

[Dead Boy]

if you could pick one thing that the CS has too mutch of, what would it be

In figuring out what may happen in the Tolkeen conflict prior to the release of the SoT books I calculated that the CS would have around 50 Thousand or so Skelebots in all with the given production rates listed in CWC and SB1. So what they heck were they doing with over a MILLION of the things? All the other issues can be explained away in my opinion, but this defies all reason.

[Gomen_Nagai]

i voted too much money, but it also has too many defenders ofthe CS on the boards

[Mack]

Too many D-Bees on the doorstep. If you were a D-Bee, freshly spat out of a Rift, would you really head for the Burbs once you got your bearings? Yea, you might head that direction until figured out what the CS is, but surely you wouldn't keep going there. Or once you've arrived, you wouldn't stay there.

Let's see... an entire continent to choose from, but it has one big guy on it who wants to kill me on sight. That sounds like a good place to bed down.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

Too many D-Bees on the doorstep. If you were a D-Bee, freshly spat out of a Rift, would you really head for the Burbs once you got your bearings? Yea, you might head that direction until figured out what the CS is, but surely you wouldn't keep going there. Or once you've arrived, you wouldn't stay there.

Let's see... an entire continent to choose from, but it has one big guy on it who wants to kill me on sight. That sounds like a good place to bed down.

yup like i always said large number of d-bees living withi CS controlled areaes, but lets not forget some are slaves, hel some of the coalition farms pay d-bees to work the fields

[Mack]

if you could pick one thing that the CS has too mutch of, what would it be

In figuring out what may happen in the Tolkeen conflict prior to the release of the SoT books I calculated that the CS would have around 50 Thousand or so Skelebots in all with the given production rates listed in CWC and SB1. So what they heck were they doing with over a MILLION of the things? All the other issues can be explained away in my opinion, but this defies all reason.

Simple, they came from the same place as the 3 million SAMAS in storage. Oh wait...

[Gomen_Nagai]

i think the CS Gets most of it's raw materials from those new Dimensions Carl Gleba wrote up for MEgaverse builder ( The Garbage Heap planet and the Machine planet... ) anything else makes no sense for Rifts' Mass production needs

[Toc Rat]

Troops.

When Quebec succeeded from the Union, Prosek parked 500,000 soldiers on their border within thrity days.

Then, a million men get sent to the Tolkeen Front.

The civilian population of the CS, minus Free Quebec, is about 23.5 million people (Sourcebook One).

So, in oder to field 1.5 million men, the army must therefore comprise 6% of the total population. That is a lot of men and women of prime age taken out of the home and put into harms way. Hell, by the end of the Siege, I bet even the Prosek Youth were out fighting!

Opps, there you go applying logic to Rifts numbers!

[Toc Rat]

I voted for too much money, but if there had been an "all of the above" category, I would have voted for that.

Agreed.

[Vrykolas2k]

a point

France prior to WWII had a population of around 40 million


By the end of the First World War, a total of 8,317,000 men, including 475,000 colonial troops, had been called up in the French Army. And that is not counting the men in the French Navy or Airforces.

During the war they suffered*
1,070,000 deaths
0,314,000 Missing
3,481,000 woulnded

Leaving them with an Army of 3,452,000 men

so


Now do you know why they considered it the war to end all wars?

*Depending on the source, and yes that means that roughly 11% of the population of France was dead or woulnded in the war.

There was a French army...?
At any rate, all of the above... especially skelebots.
Where do they get the resources for all of this stuff?

[Blight]

Wouldn't nano tec make construction super easy. You could convert raw materials very easy and with automated construction lines the number of Skelebots you could put out a day would be astounding. Using nanites You could convert any material to another. And sense the hole of the coalition is one big military organization I would think they would have an even larger number of troops.

[The Galactus Kid]

I am going to have to say twinkies. Everything else can be described using super futuristic manufacturing techniques and medicine etc. Twinkies are a pre-rifts trademarked product the secrets of which would have been lost during the darkages. lol

[Jack Daniels]

So if the US had no real robotics, and 150 millions, and the CS has 22 million or, why can’t they build much of the gear the books claim. Sure resources would be a problem, but they do have over 500,000 men in uniform before the war, those troops can secure a very large area.

The following is of course my opinion;
First point. . .
The problem with comparing US production in WWII with production in Rifts and other hi-tech settings is that the stuff built during WWII was incredibly simple in design. That simplicity made it possible to crank out massive amounts of stuff really fast and really cheaply and that compensated for the occasional lack of quality. The Sherman did not dominate many battlefields on its lonesome, but when there were 10 of them for every enemy tank, they did alright.
The stuff the Coalition uses is anything but simple in design. Look at all the protrusions and curves and weird angles on all their power armor and even their body armors. Then consider the internal systems that are required to run a power armored suit, or the electronics and gadgets in each suit of body armor. Then consider that fancy stuff becomes exponentially more expensive to produce the fancier it is. A single F-22 in 2008 will cost more, in real dollars, than an Essex class fleet carrier did in 1944.
So, basically what I'm saying is that even with robotic production lines, I don't think it's possible for the Coalition to build all the war gear it supposedly built, in secret mind you, in the CWC book.
Second point. . .
Resources should be the biggest problem the CS has, partly because of the difficulty of reliably extracting resources from hostile territory but mostly because some of the most necessary resources simply don't exist where the CS lives. The only anwser to this would be the nanotech mentioned by Blight, but I don't remember there being a canon reference to Coalition nanotech.
Third point. . .
The US had 500,000 troops based in Vietnam by 1968, not to mention (and really why should I bother?) the ARVN. As I recall, that territory was not very secure. The CS covers a much larger chunk of land than South Vietnam did and while the midwest is not as jungly and mountainous as Vietnam, I think magic and the abilities of the supernatural would more than balance the terrain factors.

[Dead Boy]

if you could pick one thing that the CS has too mutch of, what would it be

In figuring out what may happen in the Tolkeen conflict prior to the release of the SoT books I calculated that the CS would have around 50 Thousand or so Skelebots in all with the given production rates listed in CWC and SB1. So what they heck were they doing with over a MILLION of the things? All the other issues can be explained away in my opinion, but this defies all reason.

Deadboy you traitor you didnt vote for too many Dee-bees alive in Cs territory? Shame on you

Lynx

Sorry. It's he accountant in me that likes to focus on the numbers.

Simple, they came from the same place as the 3 million SAMAS in storage. Oh wait...

No, those were established in CWC but never utilized in the SoT series. Should have, but they didn't. Also the old DH Sams had been in production for over 30 years at that point. I can see them making 3.2 million units in that time. Even with moderate losses it'd only require 300 units a day to come off the assemby line, and they're not that sophisticated in Rifts-tech terms.

Skelebots on the other hand are a bit more complex, but more importantly they only date back to 101 PA. As of SB1 the CS only had 2,592 bots with the ability to make 2,592 more every month as soon as two new factories came on line in six months' time. Now these number jibe because in CWC, 105 PA, there were now 92,160 Skelebots in the CS inventroy, allowing for a good number of losses too. Fast forward just a few months to the Tolkeen War and suddenly they're throwing armies of 20,000 Skelebots at a time at little towns like Cocharn where they lost 18,000 in an afternoon. By the end of the war in 109 PA, according to Aftermath, pg. 138, they lost a million Skelebots. A MILLION! And given how conservatively they were used in the second half of the war we can easily assume that one and a half times that many were actually produced, if not two or three. Even going by the more conservative 1.5 milloin figure, in a five year span they would have had to up production by a factor of at least nine. I know it was a time of war, but even there it still sounds excessive. Hence my beaf with the number of Skelebots.

[dark brandon]

I am going to have to say twinkies. Everything else can be described using super futuristic manufacturing techniques and medicine etc. Twinkies are a pre-rifts trademarked product the secrets of which would have been lost during the darkages. lol

well, yeah, twinkies, obviously. They are filled with the love juices of fairies, didn't you know?