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[Drakenred®™©]

So who do you think has the best chance of ruleing the world of RIFTS Earth.

[Nekira Sudacne]

Jhoseph II. Carl can't, his son can

[Svartalf]

Who are Stleet and Rynncryll (yeah, a sploog, but which one?) already?
and the best candidate is Splynncryth

[Scooter the Outlaw]

Manitoba Saskatchewan. The toughest thing in the megaverse! If those stupid Old Ones try and give him any static, he'll totally just punch them real hard and they'll fold up like an old wallet. The CS as a whole? Please. He can just shoot them with his guns. Lord of the Deep? He might as well hide in a corner when Manitoba rolls through, because he can pretty much look at the Lord of the Deep and make him explode.

You'll all understand when the Rifts: Manitoba Saskatchewan Sourcebooks hits the shelves!

[Svartalf]

(silly grandiose stuff)

You'll all understand when the Rifts: Manitoba Saskatchewan Sourcebooks hits the shelves!

and that is when? because it's not announced yet, is it?

[RainOfSteel]

I favor Mr. Splyynie boy as having the best chance among the listed.

The Proseks have no chance whatsoever. A fraction of Atlantis' canon military strength could wipe out the whole CS in a single day, if they actually chose to do it.

[Svartalf]

I favor Mr. Splyynie boy as having the best chance among the listed.

The Proseks have no chance whatsoever. A fraction of Atlantis' canon military strength could wipe out the whole CS in a single day, if they actually chose to do it.

the thing is that Splynnie just can't take everybody on... between the CS, Free Quebec, Mystical powers of North America, Indians, Arkhons, Empire of the Sun, Vampire Intelligences all around, New Camelot (tiny, but tricky), NGR, Warlords of Russia, Empire and Republic of Japan, Powers of China... He ujst could not fight down all those who would oppose his power... but any single one is definitely overmatched... his thing is to stay quiet, trading, because he knows his smashing any one faction would make enough ripples to rouse up enemies and make life less pleasant for him.

He still stays the single most powerful faction on earth

[cornholioprime]

I favor Mr. Splyynie boy as having the best chance among the listed.

The Proseks have no chance whatsoever. A fraction of Atlantis' canon military strength could wipe out the whole CS in a single day, if they actually chose to do it.

the thing is that Splynnie just can't take everybody on... between the CS, Free Quebec, Mystical powers of North America, Indians, Arkhons, Empire of the Sun, Vampire Intelligences all around, New Camelot (tiny, but tricky), NGR, Warlords of Russia, Empire and Republic of Japan, Powers of China... He ujst could not fight down all those who would oppose his power... but any single one is definitely overmatched... his thing is to stay quiet, trading, because he knows his smashing any one faction would make enough ripples to rouse up enemies and make life less pleasant for him.

He still stays the single most powerful faction on earth

Canon states that he can, fairly easily, take over the Planet even if the others all co-operate against him (with the sole possible exception being the Vampire Kingdoms if THEY band together against him).

However, seizing Land is one thing; but keeping it -especially when it is part of a superdimensional Megaversal Nexus connected to a thousand conquering Powers -is quite another.

This is hands down the number one factor that "keeps" Splynncryth from enslaving the Planet.

[Svartalf]

meh? Canon states he could take over? I thought he kept quiet and refrained from global conquest because, precisely, the effort would be too much and not worth his while, if he could succeed at all...

If you got anything definite to quote, I'd like to check again my received ideas.

[Killer Cyborg]

The best option would be the CS, after getting rid of the Proseks.
A less maniacal leader who knows better than to start a war on two fronts would get a lot more accomplished.

[cornholioprime]

meh? Canon states he could take over? I thought he kept quiet and refrained from global conquest because, precisely, the effort would be too much and not worth his while, if he could succeed at all...

If you got anything definite to quote, I'd like to check again my received ideas.

Read your Atlantis, page 18.

He can do it easily, but CANNOT hold the land indefinitely against the many who would come through the Rifts.

Add to this the fact that Splynncryth doesn't seem all that interested in conquest anyways.....

[Mech-Viper Prime]

Catus People in Chipwell power armor

[Blight]

When the lord of the deep squeezes his fat butt out of that hole the whole world is going to have to try and do something. Really try and comprehend the size of that thing he would cause tidal waves and earth quacks by moving. A swing of his tentacle would wipe out citys. His mass alone would be the greatest weapon on rifts earth.

[SkyeFyre]

I would have to say Lord Splynncryth.

However I would really love for it to be Archie. I love that guy.

[Uncle Servo]

THE MIGHTY STATIC MAN!!!!!!

*ahem*

Splynncryth is the only one with a realistic shot of taking over Rifts Earth, even if only for a period of time. The main obastacle however is not any external force, but rather with Splynncryth himself. He just isn't interested in conquering Rifts Earth -- especially considering the fact that all the various powers vying against one another provide him with endless opportunities for amusement/sport/profit. He's got a good thing going in Atlantis, so why muck with it?

[Mudang]

No one can stand up to Splynncryth, but as of yet, Splynncryth hasn't shown much interest in the rest of the world. Unless Splynncryth gets a little more ambitious, then no one is going to control the entire Earth.

EDIT: Uncle Servo beat me to it!

[Jesterzzn]

I thought there was some kind of megaversial non earth takeovern treaty (unofficial) among the many known powers of the megaverse. Did I just dream that?

[Rimmerdal]

I went Lazzlo...as my dark new earth is ruled by him anyway...MUHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!...er anyway that all Folks!!

[Uncle Servo]

EDIT: Uncle Servo beat me to it!

Mu-hu-ha-ha-haaaaaaa...

[Rimmerdal]

I thought there was some kind of megaversial non earth takeovern treaty (unofficial) among the many known powers of the megaverse. Did I just dream that?

Someone spilled a cup of coffe on the treat then tossed it?

[Toc Rat]

I favor Mr. Splyynie boy as having the best chance among the listed.

The Proseks have no chance whatsoever. A fraction of Atlantis' canon military strength could wipe out the whole CS in a single day, if they actually chose to do it.

the thing is that Splynnie just can't take everybody on... between the CS, Free Quebec, Mystical powers of North America, Indians, Arkhons, Empire of the Sun, Vampire Intelligences all around, New Camelot (tiny, but tricky), NGR, Warlords of Russia, Empire and Republic of Japan, Powers of China... He ujst could not fight down all those who would oppose his power... but any single one is definitely overmatched... his thing is to stay quiet, trading, because he knows his smashing any one faction would make enough ripples to rouse up enemies and make life less pleasant for him.

He still stays the single most powerful faction on earth

Canon states that he can, fairly easily, take over the Planet even if the others all co-operate against him (with the sole possible exception being the Vampire Kingdoms if THEY band together against him).

However, seizing Land is one thing; but keeping it -especially when it is part of a superdimensional Megaversal Nexus connected to a thousand conquering Powers -is quite another.

This is hands down the number one factor that "keeps" Splynncryth from enslaving the Planet.

Exactly right. It has been stated in canon on more then one occassion I believe that ole Splynnie could take the entire planet if it was his wish. However such a move isn't as cost effective as his present course of action. That being holding on to the most magicly rich continent on the planet and raiding the others when it suits him.

[cornholioprime]

I thought there was some kind of megaversial non earth takeovern treaty (unofficial) among the many known powers of the megaverse. Did I just dream that?

No.

It's been stated, or at least implied, somewhere in the Books. EVERY major Power that's there (with the possible exception of the CS and that crazy Vamp AI in South America) have essentially "agreed" to stay out of each other's sphere of influence.

And the Gods???

Some of them are still smarting from the Can o' Whup-Ass (Industrial Strength) that the Splugorth gave them in the not-too-distant past, and they, for the most part, don't really want any part of Rifts Earth.........

[Toc Rat]

I have never seen any such thing mentioned in any of the books I own, not even implied.

Which books do you get this reference from?

[Jesterzzn]

I have never seen any such thing mentioned in any of the books I own, not even implied.

Which books do you get this reference from?

I don't remember. Off the top of my head I would say perhaps CB2 or maybe Phase World? I really can't remember, I will have to go hunt for it.

[Toc Rat]

I have never seen any such thing mentioned in any of the books I own, not even implied.

Which books do you get this reference from?

I don't remember. Off the top of my head I would say perhaps CB2 or maybe Phase World? I really can't remember, I will have to go hunt for it.

Not in those two books as I recall but I could be wrong. Keep me posted about your findings

[Joey Jo Jo Jr]

The best option would be the CS, after getting rid of the Proseks.
A less maniacal leader who knows better than to start a war on two fronts would get a lot more accomplished.

Especially if that leader was not worried about magic users and was happy to have them as part of the Coalition

[Shorty Lickens]

Splyyncryth. Except he doesnt wanna take over. He just wants to mooch off the planet for a few hundred years.

Splugorth know much more of the universe and its workings than Prosek can ever dream of. Eventually he would get his happy little empire stomped by some vast race from the Three Galaxies.

[cornholioprime]

Atlantis would lose if they where to take over Rifts Earth. The war would simply destroy the planet. At best it would be an empty victory since there would be nothing left to make such a war viable. There are powers like Nyxla around. Such beings would automatically have legions of minions to its command stationed on other worlds. There are also pantheons that reside at least partially on the world and have command of entire worlds of minions as well. Just because a world book isn't written around these other type of NPC's, like Splynncryth and Atlantis, doesn't mean there isn't something similar for these other beings. This supposed quote about Lord Splynncryth having an ability to take over Rifts Earth is ridiculous. Can someone please post reference to actual quotes before they claim anything. duh. Anyway. The only way for Lord Splynncryth to take over is if he used all the combined resources of his 3 worlds to do so only ending in empty victory on a destroyed planet in which he wouldn't even be able to hold for long. You are all also not seeing a major weakness that comes with the type a nation Atlantis is. It is it's slave population. Such a war would allow for most of the slave population to erupt and revolt. Lord Splynncryth would be finished before he would win such a war.

Where's the "yawn" Emoticon??

Anyhoo:

Rifts: Atlantis, page 18.

Splynncryth has no problem at all TAKING the Planet.

He'd have his hands full trying to KEEP it, though.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

Atlantis would lose if they where to take over Rifts Earth. The war would simply destroy the planet. At best it would be an empty victory since there would be nothing left to make such a war viable. There are powers like Nyxla around. Such beings would automatically have legions of minions to its command stationed on other worlds. There are also pantheons that reside at least partially on the world and have command of entire worlds of minions as well. Just because a world book isn't written around these other type of NPC's, like Splynncryth and Atlantis, doesn't mean there isn't something similar for these other beings. This supposed quote about Lord Splynncryth having an ability to take over Rifts Earth is ridiculous. Can someone please post reference to actual quotes before they claim anything. duh. Anyway. The only way for Lord Splynncryth to take over is if he used all the combined resources of his 3 worlds to do so only ending in empty victory on a destroyed planet in which he wouldn't even be able to hold for long. You are all also not seeing a major weakness that comes with the type a nation Atlantis is. It is it's slave population. Such a war would allow for most of the slave population to erupt and revolt. Lord Splynncryth would be finished before he would win such a war.

Where's the "yawn" Emoticon??

Anyhoo:

Rifts: Atlantis, page 18.

Splynncryth has no problem at all TAKING the Planet.

He'd have his hands full trying to KEEP it, though.

wow you read that out of "virtually impossible to conguer and hold"

[Mech-Viper Prime]

Atlantis would lose if they where to take over Rifts Earth. The war would simply destroy the planet. At best it would be an empty victory since there would be nothing left to make such a war viable. There are powers like Nyxla around. Such beings would automatically have legions of minions to its command stationed on other worlds. There are also pantheons that reside at least partially on the world and have command of entire worlds of minions as well. Just because a world book isn't written around these other type of NPC's, like Splynncryth and Atlantis, doesn't mean there isn't something similar for these other beings. This supposed quote about Lord Splynncryth having an ability to take over Rifts Earth is ridiculous. Can someone please post reference to actual quotes before they claim anything. duh. Anyway. The only way for Lord Splynncryth to take over is if he used all the combined resources of his 3 worlds to do so only ending in empty victory on a destroyed planet in which he wouldn't even be able to hold for long. You are all also not seeing a major weakness that comes with the type a nation Atlantis is. It is it's slave population. Such a war would allow for most of the slave population to erupt and revolt. Lord Splynncryth would be finished before he would win such a war.

Where's the "yawn" Emoticon??

Anyhoo:

Rifts: Atlantis, page 18.

Splynncryth has no problem at all TAKING the Planet.

He'd have his hands full trying to KEEP it, though.

wow you read that out of "virtually impossible to conquer and hold"

I especially like how corn only took that little bit out of context and thought that that would be a viable counter point. Again "yawn".

thats because corn in love with ugly one eye

[cornholioprime]

Atlantis would lose if they where to take over Rifts Earth. The war would simply destroy the planet. At best it would be an empty victory since there would be nothing left to make such a war viable. There are powers like Nyxla around. Such beings would automatically have legions of minions to its command stationed on other worlds. There are also pantheons that reside at least partially on the world and have command of entire worlds of minions as well. Just because a world book isn't written around these other type of NPC's, like Splynncryth and Atlantis, doesn't mean there isn't something similar for these other beings. This supposed quote about Lord Splynncryth having an ability to take over Rifts Earth is ridiculous. Can someone please post reference to actual quotes before they claim anything. duh. Anyway. The only way for Lord Splynncryth to take over is if he used all the combined resources of his 3 worlds to do so only ending in empty victory on a destroyed planet in which he wouldn't even be able to hold for long. You are all also not seeing a major weakness that comes with the type a nation Atlantis is. It is it's slave population. Such a war would allow for most of the slave population to erupt and revolt. Lord Splynncryth would be finished before he would win such a war.

Where's the "yawn" Emoticon??

Anyhoo:

Rifts: Atlantis, page 18.

Splynncryth has no problem at all TAKING the Planet.

He'd have his hands full trying to KEEP it, though.

wow you read that out of "virtually impossible to conguer and hold"

Ah, ah ah.

Read it in context.

The Sentence goes "....conquer and hold..." (italicized emphasis by the AUTHORS).

Simple Translation:

If YOU had THREE PLANETS full of Soldiers, the ONLY force that could really stop you from taking Earth would be the Guy(s) with FOUR or more Planets full of Soldiers, right?

Right???

Splynnie can TAKE the Earth.

He just can't KEEP it.

Apparently, and according to the Authors themselves, not even with THE COMBINED MILITARY MIGHT of THREE WHOLE WORLDS chock full of Splugorth Minions..........

[Mech-Viper Prime]

Atlantis would lose if they where to take over Rifts Earth. The war would simply destroy the planet. At best it would be an empty victory since there would be nothing left to make such a war viable. There are powers like Nyxla around. Such beings would automatically have legions of minions to its command stationed on other worlds. There are also pantheons that reside at least partially on the world and have command of entire worlds of minions as well. Just because a world book isn't written around these other type of NPC's, like Splynncryth and Atlantis, doesn't mean there isn't something similar for these other beings. This supposed quote about Lord Splynncryth having an ability to take over Rifts Earth is ridiculous. Can someone please post reference to actual quotes before they claim anything. duh. Anyway. The only way for Lord Splynncryth to take over is if he used all the combined resources of his 3 worlds to do so only ending in empty victory on a destroyed planet in which he wouldn't even be able to hold for long. You are all also not seeing a major weakness that comes with the type a nation Atlantis is. It is it's slave population. Such a war would allow for most of the slave population to erupt and revolt. Lord Splynncryth would be finished before he would win such a war.

Where's the "yawn" Emoticon??

Anyhoo:

Rifts: Atlantis, page 18.

Splynncryth has no problem at all TAKING the Planet.

He'd have his hands full trying to KEEP it, though.

wow you read that out of "virtually impossible to conguer and hold"

Ah, ah ah.

Read it in context.

The Sentence goes "....conquer and hold..." (italicized emphasis by the AUTHORS).

Simple Translation:

If YOU had THREE PLANETS full of Soldiers, the ONLY force that could really stop you from taking Earth would be the Guy(s) with FOUR or more Planets full of Soldiers, right?

Right???

Splynnie can TAKE the Earth.

He just can't KEEP it.

Apparently, and according to the Authors themselves, not even with THE COMBINED MILITARY MIGHT of THREE WHOLE WORLDS chock full of Splugorth Minions..........

no not really, but i guess you missed the next line after it too huh? the one about "there just too many powerful beings who covert the planet ..........." and some of them dont like the fact he has atlantis and they have allies with planets full of armies too

[Mech-Viper Prime]

Atlantis would lose if they where to take over Rifts Earth. The war would simply destroy the planet. At best it would be an empty victory since there would be nothing left to make such a war viable. There are powers like Nyxla around. Such beings would automatically have legions of minions to its command stationed on other worlds. There are also pantheons that reside at least partially on the world and have command of entire worlds of minions as well. Just because a world book isn't written around these other type of NPC's, like Splynncryth and Atlantis, doesn't mean there isn't something similar for these other beings. This supposed quote about Lord Splynncryth having an ability to take over Rifts Earth is ridiculous. Can someone please post reference to actual quotes before they claim anything. duh. Anyway. The only way for Lord Splynncryth to take over is if he used all the combined resources of his 3 worlds to do so only ending in empty victory on a destroyed planet in which he wouldn't even be able to hold for long. You are all also not seeing a major weakness that comes with the type a nation Atlantis is. It is it's slave population. Such a war would allow for most of the slave population to erupt and revolt. Lord Splynncryth would be finished before he would win such a war.

Where's the "yawn" Emoticon??

Anyhoo:

Rifts: Atlantis, page 18.

Splynncryth has no problem at all TAKING the Planet.

He'd have his hands full trying to KEEP it, though.

wow you read that out of "virtually impossible to conguer and hold"

Ah, ah ah.

Read it in context.

The Sentence goes "....conquer and hold..." (italicized emphasis by the AUTHORS).

Simple Translation:

If YOU had THREE PLANETS full of Soldiers, the ONLY force that could really stop you from taking Earth would be the Guy(s) with FOUR or more Planets full of Soldiers, right?

Right???

Splynnie can TAKE the Earth.

He just can't KEEP it.

Apparently, and according to the Authors themselves, not even with THE COMBINED MILITARY MIGHT of THREE WHOLE WORLDS chock full of Splugorth Minions..........

What makes you think that Lord Splynthcryth is the only one with a few planets of minions? Please.

because corn is in love with ugly one eye

[Toc Rat]

Cornholio is correct, it is a stated given in the books that Splynncryth could take the planet, however as he also pointed out, it would be near impossible to hold if for no other reason then the number of random rifts that open on a daily basis.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

Cornholio is correct, it is a stated given in the books that Splynncryth could take the planet, however as he also pointed out, it would be near impossible to hold if for no other reason then the number of random rifts that open on a daily basis.

well hell in that case anyone could "take" the planet then

[Svartalf]

Like SDplynnie is the only one with zilliions of minions and the ability to call on other planets?

South American powers are in contact with other planes (if only the Amaki and Megaversal legion... I grant that Warlord Enno of the Arkhons might not want the loss of face going with calling for support from the home planet)

Also, China alone, with the Hellish and Celestial powers looking over it might prove a bigger mouthful than Splynn might like chewing... and I'm not even trying to gage the kind of pain the marine powers (like the naut'yll and Lord of the Deep) could cause him or the amount of power they might bring up if the exertedthemselves... and I forget the Lemurians, since some lazy **** has been keeping Underseas IIdelayed for years and years...

[Drakenred®™©]

just post for one, and go to profiles and change your settings for the other

[Jesterzzn]

Cornholio is correct, it is a stated given in the books that Splynncryth could take the planet, however as he also pointed out, it would be near impossible to hold if for no other reason then the number of random rifts that open on a daily basis.

Im not saying he wrong about the quote. I'm saying the writer is wrong, and I'm right.

Technically, since KS approved the manuscript.. the writer's right and you're not

I thought Kevin wrote the book.

[Gomen_Nagai]

splinnye has the biggest army in all of rifts, with trillions at his disposal, the only problem is that there are too many gods on rifts earth who can Wipe out the armies of atlantis through deific acts.

[GaredBattlespike]

I voted for Splynncryth.
The reasons have been well stated by others, but I sum them up as follows:
1)Private Army of millions and millions of Minions, many of whom are rather potent in thier own right (A City of Dragons, for instance!)...
2)Personal Power (Look at his/it's Stats and remember that he/it knows a lot of Magic and many Psionic Powers;All backed by huge I.S.P. and P.P.E. Scores!)
3)Splynncryth is not stupid. He is not like to make a serious play for world domination at this time, but if he did, Splynncryth stands the best chance of all the other listed types.
yes, this includes Nyxla. Nyxla has really,really,really stupid minions. Not a matter of they s**k, but almost no IQ to speak of. No use of ranged weapons(that requires brains to use) and certainly no artillery,air-support,Power Armor or Robots. No Co-ordinated strikes/defences because Xombies don't communicate with each other.

The CS has almost no chance. Too many enemies and almost no friends. An Army of a few thousand tech-only troops VS any well-integrated DB force should be a loss for the CS in any play for the planet. Local dust-ups are another matter...

Myrrlyn is just a tool for Zashan(or whatever it's name is). He has no chance to speak of.

The other Slpoogie Lords are a threat, but Splynncryth has a major foot-hold on Rifts Earth and that make Splyncryth top-dog among Sploogie-Lords who try to take over Rifts Earth.

More later...

[Svartalf]

Cornholio is correct, it is a stated given in the books that Splynncryth could take the planet, however as he also pointed out, it would be near impossible to hold if for no other reason then the number of random rifts that open on a daily basis.

Im not saying he wrong about the quote. I'm saying the writer is wrong, and I'm right.

Technically, since KS approved the manuscript.. the writer's right and you're not

Especially since it's P 18 of Atlantis... a very early supplement penned by BigK Himself...

[Svartalf]

splinnye has the biggest army in all of rifts, with trillions at his disposal, the only problem is that there are too many gods on rifts earth who can Wipe out the armies of atlantis through deific acts.

Don't count on it... Deific powers are not normally used where you don't have a worshipper base...

The Norse Gods might use some in Scandinavia, Iceland or Germany for instance, I doubt they could use them to attack Atlantis... also, if they take the conflict to that level, remember that splugorth are full Alien Intelligences who might have similar powers in their own sphere...

The reason Spynny doesn't go about conquering Earth is that he knows he'd put himself into a losing position and drain his resources fruitlessly, while on the other hand his Atlantis racket is sweet and smooth... why spoil a good thing to get a bad one?