ShadowLogan wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 11:23 am
Sambot wrote:Since Louie says "power amplified body armor" I would look at all the body armors the ASC corps wear and try to determine which might be power amplified. They could even power amplify all the ASC body armor and it'd be better than forcing animated battloids into being power armor.
But what qualifies as "power amplified body armor" w/n Robotech during that Era? How big can something be and still be considered worn (those Cosplay outfit are worn afterall, you also have people who walk around on stilts in costumes at parades)?
If you're wearing at least part of it and the mecha requires you to move, beyond operating pedals and levers, for the suit to move, it's a powered amplified armor.
How are you determining that non-animated battloids cannot work as "worn" suits? Afterall we don't have "X-ray" views or examples of pilot entering/leaving the units. Based on your statements about the Kraken only working I have to wonder if you expect the operator to put these suits on piecemeal like CVR-3 instead of potentially being "step-in" like the Zentreadi FPA suit is shown or Bubblegum Crisis's Hardsuits/K-Suits are shown or even some spacesuits (Russians use a back hatch, something the US has looked at for future designs but not really adopted as of yet) and IINM diving suits.
Basilisk - The Human body can't fit into the limbs. There's no way for the legs to get through the hip joint, nor can the arms fit through the two joints that make up the shoulder.
Fenris - A Human's legs can't get through the knee joints and the arms have two separate joints.
Kraken - looks like something a Human can wear so could be power armor.
Manticore - Difficult to tell with the art in the RPG book but source material shows the same knee and shoulder joint problems above.
Triton - We see that one animated as a Battloid.
Unicorn - Same hip, knee, and shoulder issues as above.
If the "pilot' can't get their limbs into the mecha's limbs they have to be in the torso. The torsos are not big enough for a Humanoid pilot to act out the motions. They're using controls. That make them Battloids.
glitterboy2098 wrote:or better or for worse, the southern cross's mecha in general are pretty much technologically a dead end in the setting. be they veritech, piloted mecha, or power armor. we probably won't see follow on for them, since in settign they've been out of production for over 15 years by the time that Shadow Chronicles starts, and they probably won't see resurrection.
I'm not sure I agree that the ASC mecha are a dead end in 2044 for several reasons:
1. Protoculture reserves are low (1 year supply remember is established in the OVA), so the various technologies and designs might see a revisit if the 2E RPG is "correct" in that they don't use PC (and even though TRM mecha are overall smaller, they get better fusion endurance than TMS mecha).
2. Some of the ASC mecha were taken into space with the UEEF in various media, so evolutions of those designs could exist. Scott even identifies TRM-era mecha (hovertanks and bioroids) in among the remains in NG#2, and we know recovered bioroids received an update so the hovertank (and other units) could potentially to.
3. Given HG's heavy use of "recycling" designs, and we know they likely won't be allowed to use Macross designs it would make sense to consider SDC: SC designs and not limit oneself to just GCM designs.
4. Flashbacks could be included to earlier eras could introduce us to new designs.
5. The 2E PB RPG's IMU producer(s) on Earth could become a source for new designs, which could show influence of ASC designs (we'll assume TMS is off limits due to out of universe legal reasons)
6. If the Cyclone is taken to be the Infantry "failure" as it really is for power armor, it might turn to the ASC style designs as a starting point
1. I kind of remember the Regis taking most of the Protoculture with her when she left but I don't remember how much was left. I also thought Rem made more matrix's so there would be a supply of Protoculture but they wouldn't make the mistake of defoliating Optera again.
Good point on the endurance of RDF and ASC mecha. 1E also has ASC mecha using alternative power sources so they might turn to them instead of Prototculture.
2. Jonathan Wolf also used the VHT and Scott knew him so it is likely that the VHT received an upgrade.
3. GCM? I do think just using a few mecha from TNG would be limiting. There's still a lot of Mecha from TNG and the Sentinels that HG could use. With Macross Mecha, they're are the Expeditionary Marines Destroids. They're similar but different enough to avoid legalities. They could continue that.
4. That would be cool.
%. IMU producers? I would have thought the Invid would have destroyed all the mecha producers. Maybe someone saved plans or designers survived?
6. I'm still not convinced the Cyclone is an "infantry" power armor. It may not be ideal for stand up fights but it does have some good points. There should still be more variety in Powered Armor as well as small veritechs.