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Unread postPosted: Tue May 24, 2022 11:05 am
  

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Do gryphons have Super-Natural Physical Strength in Palladium Fantasy?

They do in Rifts but the book doesn't mention it in Palladium Fantasy?


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Unread postPosted: Tue May 24, 2022 2:56 pm
  

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My guess would be "No", based on there being no mention of that in the Monsters and Animals book (the 2E version) on page 99-100. There is mention that they are magical creatures and the increased amount of magic on Rifts earth makes them more powerful there. This is the last piece of the gryphon entry in that book on page 100.

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Rifts® Notes: Wild gryphons are rare on Rifts Earth, but are domesticated, raised, and sold by the Splugorth of Atlantis. The additional magic energy of Earth turns the creature into a light mega-damage animal with 6D6+50 M.D.C., inflicts mega-damage from its attacks and the adult has five attacks per melee.


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Unread postPosted: Tue May 24, 2022 6:18 pm
  

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Yet, according to the player who asked me about this...

"f you look in the dragons and gods book, the gods in there the book doesn't specify that they have SN PS. I know there's no way gods don't have SN PS."


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Unread postPosted: Tue May 24, 2022 11:03 pm
  

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SirSpamHammer wrote:
Do gryphons have Super-Natural Physical Strength in Palladium Fantasy?

They do in Rifts but the book doesn't mention it in Palladium Fantasy?

According to the PF2: Monsters and animals book page 99, no they are not listed as having Supernatural PS, nor SNPE.

But what you have to remember is that the world of the PF books is a 'Low Magic' world. Where Rifts Earth is a high magic world. So there would be differences in monsters stats between the two worlds. (and that PB had to make the gryphons SNPS and to make them MDC to fit into the MD/MDC of the monsters there so they would actually pose a threat to the characters the players are running.)

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Unread postPosted: Wed May 25, 2022 6:25 am
  

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There is no indication in Monsters & Animals that gryphons have supernatural strength. They are described as just "animals". It doesn't actually say they are magical creatures at all.

Dragons & Gods, page 86: "The strength of gods are automatically supernatural".

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Unread postPosted: Wed May 25, 2022 9:19 am
  

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They just replied with this....again...

Quoting Player "But if you look in dragons and gods book, neither are the gods, and gods for sure will have SN PS"


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Unread postPosted: Wed May 25, 2022 2:49 pm
  

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Are gryphons as powerful as dragons and deities? If gryphons should have SN PS, then what about the pegasus which is a similar size flying magical creature? Where do you stop with the logic of "if X has it, then Y must have it also"?

By the book, they don't have it. If you wish to do something else in your game, that is totally up to you. And if they don't have it in your game, then your player needs to accept that.


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Unread postPosted: Thu May 26, 2022 5:45 am
  

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SirSpamHammer wrote:
Quoting Player "But if you look in dragons and gods book, neither are the gods, and gods for sure will have SN PS"

Soldier of Od wrote:
Dragons & Gods, page 86: "The strength of gods are automatically supernatural".

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Gods are supernatural beings.
All supernatural beings have supernatural strength.

Gryphons are not supernatural beings.
They do not seem to even be creatures of magic.
If the book only describes them as animals, then that’s all they are.

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