sizing chamber+nightspawn=mean/evil GM

[drewkitty ~..~]

What would happen to a NS that tried out a sizing chamber, while playing under a mean/crazy/evil GM?



Note: yah I know it wouldn't do anything to the NS with a strict reading of the rules.

[taalismn]

Bring out that MechaBane table again!!!!

[drewkitty ~..~]

Bring out that MechaBane table again!!!!

The NightSpawn already has the Mecha Form as one of it's Features, a 9' tall Valkariee.

Would the (RT) sizing chamber up it's size to 'full size'?
Would they be a change in its SDC/MDC? Stay the same?
Change the Form (w/SAP Missle pods)? to w/SAP w/left pod P-beams ?
One seater to two seater?
Enhanced perceptions (seeker ELINT varient)?

[drewkitty ~..~]

When you say a mean/crazy/evil GM do you mean slightly for or totally against the players?

One of the nasty things could be the size of the Human and 'Bane form are not necessarily tied together and only the one you went through the chamber as is the one enlarged.

That said I don't see why the chamber would truely alter anything, just increase the size, and from that change the P.S., P.E., HP/S.D.C. as described and increase the damage of implanted weapons by the amount of the change.

So in the case given I would say either a giant human would shrink to a 'mere' 9ft mini VT or a normal human would grow to a 90ft VT with weapons that deal 10 times the normal damage. Of course you don't want to be around when the Night Lords figure out they can do the same thing with Hounds.

Is in a rifts game that has the players in contact with people from a crashed SDF-1 (RT) and one of the PCs drank some protoculture 'kool aid' and got super powers...but turned pink. So the GM is pretty much open to sujestions. You just need to be carefull about what sujestions you make.

I wouldn't mind just going macroinan size with my char's morphos, w/o any bonuses. But is also thinking that some form changes could happen too, like becoming a two seater.

[taalismn]

The possibility of a NIghtbane with the ability to go against an Evangelion-style entity/mech....and be even more depressed and clinically insane than Ikari Shinji or Anno....

[taalismn]

Well THAT would be properly dark and gloomy like Nightspawn, no?
Ultimate Power or Ultimate Catastrophe...

[drewkitty ~..~]

snip.. (forget official canon, we're gaming here)....snip

I like this saying

[drewkitty ~..~]

snip.. I couldn't see for example going from a VT to a Super VT, or a Super VT with 2 missile packs to one with a gun pack and missile pack.

well to explain a bit more, the spawn char is a Macross Fan, (not rt, even if the char has knowage of RT too), so the char's morphos is a Valkariee w/SAP packs (dual missle pods). (See Ramidia at viewtopic.php?t=66314&start=0 )
So the SAP change would not be too much a jump.

[drewkitty ~..~]

So....it you used the change armiment talent in conjunktion with a sizing chamber......?



The feature I custom made the bane just looks like the mecha, along with stat bonuses.

The char does have custem talent called "Mechamorphisis" Along with others.

[taalismn]

It's when ypu toss in some of the 'Themed Nightbane' talents from the Rifter that things get interesting.....like when you scale up the Talent "Carrier Ship" Nightbane with the ability to deploy mini-fighters or defense-satellites from your body....

[drewkitty ~..~]

It's when ypu toss in some of the 'Themed Nightbane' talents from the Rifter that things get interesting.....like when you scale up the Talent "Carrier Ship" Nightbane with the ability to deploy mini-fighters or defense-satellites from your body....

Youd get the SDF-1.....

Name--<<cencored>>

IQ--19
ME--26
MA--19
PS--15/[SN 33]
PP--19/[25]
PE--31/[SN 43]
PB--14/[14]
Spd--15/[33]
Per--21
Flying Spd--**/[up to 90mph]

HP--37/[73]
SDC--30/[441]
MDC--0.67/[514]
PPE--199
Awe/Horror Factor--0/[14]
Natural AR--4

Age--28yr
Sex--Male
RCC--NightSpawn
Hight--5'5"[9'6"]
Weight- 178lb[1780lb]
 
physical appearance
Facad-appers to be a male caucation about 18, wearing a leather jacket and jeans.
Moph--looks like the SDF-1 from the movie "love, do you remember" having Armors as arms
 
Talents
shadow shield(first level "free"talent)--fomes a sphearical bubble around Eli
dark song--"the Minmay Attack"
shadow blast--comes from the different gun emplasments over body
 
NB building
swarm--15 little gerwalk valkariees, 2 inches high, each doing damage though what look like gun pod blasts, they will attack opponents with in 60' of the bane
Carrier ship(X2)--each arm carries (11R, 12L) fighters which launch off the deck of the armors, it takes an attack to launch as many of the fighters as wills... each has one attack per melee, will auto fire on those who attack the Nspawn(but can be ordered not to attack),
adv. recon. craft--(looks like a recon Valkariee)
heavy beam cannon--(like the sdf-1's main cannon)
missle tubes
flight system--(anit-grav)
radar system--(bridge radar array)--
Heavy plating
mechanical limbs
Gun limbs(x4)(sholder cannon)
cities--within the bane there there can be seen through windows a city that seams to have a gravity plane pallalel to the logn axis of the spawn,
Other fluids for blood--(air)

[taalismn]

"OGG --LIIIKKKKEEEEE-- YOU!"


Yep, that's the sort of depravity and overkill that's just so awe-inspiring(or stomach-churning).

[Stormseed]

[Devil's Advocate]Doesn't the Nightbane book say that they can't be transformed except by themselves?[/DA]

[Dave the dragon]

Yes, unfortunately. And they have no psionics, a huge bonus against, and, somewhere I got the idea that they just plain dont mix with PSI. If 'culture is PSI in base, not sure it'd mix. 'Course, it dont have to. Morphus are based on subconcious images of ourselves, not limited to "reality".

[taalismn]

Could you imagine an Invid-themed Nightbane?
Or the Morpheus manifested by an addict of the Flower of Life?
Green blood for certain....

[drewkitty ~..~]

Could you imagine an Invid-themed Nightbane?
Or the Morpheus manifested by an addict of the Flower of Life?
Green blood for certain....

Now you are giving ME ideas......

[taalismn]

Good...I hated the idea of being the only one thinking of a crustacoid-Enforcer mix hunchback smacking down some Hounds in a backalley...

[drewkitty ~..~]

Good...I hated the idea of being the only one thinking of a crustacoid-Enforcer mix hunchback smacking down some Hounds in a backalley...

But if you are going to make the spawn as close to the Invid seen in third generation, then anyone hitting the 'eye' of the invid spawn, the damage would go direct to HP.

[taalismn]

Ah, but being Nightbane...maybe it will just hurt...ALOT...and be a major inconvenience(try fighting blind)...

Sometimes it just doesn't pay to be TOO faithful to your source material....

[drewkitty ~..~]

Ah, but being Nightbane...maybe it will just hurt...ALOT...and be a major inconvenience(try fighting blind)...

Sometimes it just doesn't pay to be TOO faithful to your source material....

Yep, you might have a Evil GM and that would give him 'Ideas".

[Dave the dragon]

I like this. Keep thinking, I wanna use some of this.
Personally, I was gonna just have a Zent BP morphus against my PCs sometime, justy to watch them fill their britches.

[taalismn]

A Zent BP? Or make it a fusion of a Zentraedi-sized body and a mecha-form....Your morpheous looks like a giant Khyron's head mounted in battlepod legs, with razor-sharp teeth and particle beam eyes....

[Armorlord]

I've put thought toward mixing things into Robotech before, though for that setting I'd mainly thought about how the Nightlords would react to various things, and deal with new issues- like how they would have limited ability to infiltrate full-size Zentraedi rebels initially, due to a lack a minions who could blend in, until Zentraedi-Dopplegangers start to form.
As for up-sizing a Nightbane.. off hand I'd go for a no given their blanket immunity to any kind of transformation.. Though given that the forces surrounding a nightbane's initial transformation can often help shape them..
Imagine a young soldier/officer being brought in for a mission or experiment that involves 'Marconizing' him, possibly chosen for his lack of biological family. Following orders, he places himself in the chamber, bracing himself as the protoculture soup rises around him. He can feel strange forces trying to act upon him.. he closes his eyes as he tries to ignore it at first, putting it off as normal. After a time, he opens them again concerned my the increasing pressure, and sees the scientists manning the controls scurrying around franticly, looks of concern and confusion on their faces. 'Why aren't they smaller? Shouldn't I be growing by now?!?' He starts to panic, submerged in a sealed chamber with alien forces all around him, trying to get in.. his panic causes his vital readings to jump suddenly, which causes the scientists he's watching to jump with worry, which causes him to worry more, which leads to further cycles of panic, along with increased heart-rate and blood pressure. And just about when the head technician reaches for emergency shutoff button- the chamber cracks with a sudden increase in pressure..
The exact result may vary, but in the end the scientist will think they've made a serious mistake or truly bizzare accident with the protoculture chamber, the military will be disappointed that they can't figure out how to duplicate it, and the young man will have all new levels of stress and adventure.. as well as a 'blood hunger' for protoculture while in his 'other form'. Sabotage, mutated protoculture, one in a billion genetic quirk, and/or a system strike by wandering superstrings/cosmic-particles will all be among the theories.. though very few will know the truth that the young man was previously an unawakened Nightbane..
Interesting train of thought this tread has brought to mind. Could either play it out as just one heck of a morphus with an interesting hunger, or perhaps turn it into a whole new RCC, similar to the Wampyr in terms of creation.

And ****, why didn't I think of mecha-style mechanical morphus before.. and along with that 'Elite Talent (Mecha): Full Size'.. can't imagine what that should cost off hand.. but a Nightbane talent for those with mini-mecha parts to 'grow' to scale with the parts to 'full size' versions.

[taalismn]

Oh...that's a delicious scenario....imagine going through all that and looking at the technicians around you...and realizing some of them are distinctly NOT human(doppelgangers or Hollow Men...)....Evvvvilllll....

[Dave the dragon]

Would Zentraedi have doppelgangers?

[taalismn]

Namtar/Hollow-Men Zentraedi---Get out some serious tanker-truck-sized cans of 'Raid'....

[Armorlord]

Would Zentraedi have doppelgangers?

I believe so, if they lived in one place long enough they should start developing. Even the most unusual humans could have a doppleganger, so it seems reasonable, but there would have to be a large number living together full-sized in one area for awhile to get a few to spawn. Though the Nightlord that gets a couple of those is a lucky fellow.
-Oh crap.
-Oh dear..
It just occured to me the those with a stronger body of experience might be more likely to be among the few that have an imprint form into a double.
And how often when a person of great personality dies that their doppleganger awakens.
That just leaves wondering if Khyron spent enough time at his Earth-bound headquarters for one to form...

Then wonder what alignment/outlook it would have....

[taalismn]

what's Raid?.... (do you mean a brand of insecticide?)

Yep...

[taalismn]

Would Zentraedi have doppelgangers?

I believe so, if they lived in one place long enough they should start developing. Even the most unusual humans could have a doppleganger, so it seems reasonable, but there would have to be a large number living together full-sized in one area for awhile to get a few to spawn. Though the Nightlord that gets a couple of those is a lucky fellow.
-Oh crap.
-Oh dear..
It just occured to me the those with a stronger body of experience might be more likely to be among the few that have an imprint form into a double.
And how often when a person of great personality dies that their doppleganger awakens.
That just leaves wondering if Khyron spent enough time at his Earth-bound headquarters for one to form...

Then wonder what alignment/outlook it would have....

Is this a GOOD thing or a BAD thing as far as Lynn Minmei is concerned?

[Armorlord]

Is this a GOOD thing or a BAD thing as far as Lynn Minmei is concerned?

Most things considered? Probably bad.
Even if the dopple-khyron liked her, it'd probably be on a weird obsessive stalker level, with command of Zentraedi.
"Sir.. I know it is miraculous that you have returned to us, but do you think our resources are being put to the best use building this.. this.."
"Shrine."
"Err.. 'shrine' into which you are pasting all of our recon efforts, which you've redirected to watch and report the movements of one non-combat micronian? Are we planning to try kidnapping her again?"
*dreamy-eyed* "*sigh* ..Lynn.."
"Sir? Hello? Are you even listening?!"
"She is MINE ALONE!! Ready another ship!"

[taalismn]

You live in a scary litte world, Armorlord....

[Armorlord]

You live in a scary litte world, Armorlord....

Always on the look out for new ways to horrify the PCs.

Though is all seriousness, probably wouldn't take that route. In the event of a NB/RT game with a chance of awakening a Khyron doppleganger, it is more likely to be either one that takes well to his new 'Masters' and serves them willingly (chance to reach Doppleganger Warlord status), or turn freedom fighter against the Nightlords, or pull an Attilla and do both in turn. For extra fun perhaps still wanting to fight against the micronians as well.

Another interesting scenario would be if that was an unawakened doppleganger being used as brute labor, the Nightlord in charge of him not wishing to risk awakening such a large creature, and the PC become aware of this and have a need of information only Khyron would have known.. Rescuing a double of a someone who was bent on destroying humankind, a very large double from a Nightlord's watchful eye, risking awakening it, and hoping you can get the needed information from it..
Must be some very important information.. Hmm..

[taalismn]

Or encountering a Doppelganger of somebody you thought dead....Roy Fokker or Ben Dixon, for instance...

[taalismn]

Here's a chilling thought...what would the Shadowlands' version of MACROSS CITY be like?
Maybe centered around a gothic SDF-1? Or maybe a damaged Demonstar(see Rifts: Three Galaxies)?

[Armorlord]

Here's a chilling thought...what would the Shadowlands' version of MACROSS CITY be like?
Maybe centered around a gothic SDF-1? Or maybe a damaged Demonstar(see Rifts: Three Galaxies)?

I'd have to go with the gothic SDF-1.. Play it up as the most massive haunted dark gothic cathedral the players can imagine, in the general shape of the SDF. Massively peaked, buttresses upon buttresses, gargoyles in abundance, and somewhere in there a pair of gigantic multi-story stained glass windows with horrificly twisted content best left to the imagination..

[taalismn]

H.P. LOvecraft Meets Macross...

I love it....

[drewkitty ~..~]

H.P. LOvecraft Meets Macross...

I love it....

Or ....b4† m4n's Gothom meets Macross

[Armorlord]

The Nightlands Version of Lynn Minmei would Definitely be interested in Destroying Lisa Hayes and stealing Rick hunter for herself.

I'd gather she'd be a Nemesis Critter, either a Night princess or some Variation of Demon.

Could be amusing as one of the "Beautiful People" too, even if it's not normally a 'double' race, for a lower power, but dreadfully selfish AND annoying, version.

[taalismn]

Henri Gloval--_Night Prince...or maybe Maistroff is the Ba'al power behind the throne with a Gloval doppelganger as a meat-puppet....