Robotech Improbables, Impossibles, and Just Plain Weirds....

[taalismn]

Alternate Universes...

Okay, we've tackled alternate scenarios like
1) What if the Masters Won the Second Robotech War?
2) What if the Invid Arrived Early?
3) What if the Zentraedi Still Lost But Rendered Earth Uninhabitable?
4) What if Lynn Minmei Joined the Military?

Just to stir up more thought, what other off-the-wall scenarios have you created out there or would have liked to have seen? And where might they have taken the Robotech universe?

I'll toss out a few;

1) What if Rick Hunter HAD rescued TR Edwards from Alaska Base?
2) What if the Zentraedi and the Invid actually joined forces?(and what might it take to create this unlikely union?)
3) What if the Karbarreans had stumbled across Optera and the secrets of creating Protoculture before the Tiroleans could hit the planet?
4) What if Perytonian magic was REAL, and they'd openned up a mystic can of worms?
5) What if a ship from, say, the Three Galaxies, had crashed on Earth BEFORE the SDF-1 arrived?

[Mike Taylor]

What if the SDF-1 crash was caused by a near-collision with another alien vessel, a strange red ship with the letters "RED DWARF" painted on the hull?

What if the SDF-1's pursuers were not the Zentraedi, but the Daleks?

[taalismn]

What if the SDF-1's pursuers were not the Zentraedi, but the Daleks?

...or the Klingons...
...Or the Kreeghor, for that matter....

[taalismn]

What if Claudia have a child, fathered by Roy of course....

What if Roy Fokker did not die from his wound?

Hmmm...Fokker's luck eventually would have given out and he'd have fgotten so badly wounded that Gloval would be forced to ground him for medical reasons...forcing Rick into top spot with his 'Big Brother' as CAG...The Hunter-Hayes relationship would have still gone as prolonged as before, not helped(or hindered) any by Fokker's trying to mediate between them and occasionally kicking Rick's behind for being such an ass....I don't see him having a large impact on the Rain of Death or the aftermath...there's only so much one can do against millions of Zentraedi after all, though his experienced leadership might save a few lives in the short run...As good as Fokker is, he lacks the youthful dynamicism of Rick Hunter(who tends to fall into tight spots with more frequency than anyone else0, so Fokker wouldn't likely be caught up in the same dramatic moments as Rick and Lisa find themselves in....and the effects of his survival likely wouldn't show a dramatic turn from canon except in the long run, when his role as an RDF high officer might prove a foil for Leonard...
His survival might also be a brake on Rick Hunter's rise to the high command ranks...ESPECIALLY if Fokker survived Khyron's kamikaze attack on the SDF-1&2...so command of the SDF-3 might well fall to somebody else(Fokker, himself, for instance).

[taalismn]

Or that the SDF-3 is really the Cosmic Forge..... now what would that make Lisa and Rick....

Rick Hunter as a CosmoKnight? I've done that as an AU....

[taalismn]

exactly.

BUT...Fokker's survival might well also have stopped Edwards in his tracks...since, knowing TR as he did, Fokker would be most reluctant to allow Edwards anywhere NEAR the SDF-3...and would find a convemient excuse to weld the guy into a deep-decks storeroom if he absolutely HAD to take the guy aboard...
The whole Edwards-Hunter conflict aboard the Pioneer expedition would instead become an Edwards-Fokker conflict, likely with Edwards taking measures to have Rick and/or Lisa have 'accidents' as a means of getting at Fokker----and crying 'favoritism' in any Fokker decision concerning them...

[R Ditto]

What if the SDF-1's fold drive didn't vanish during the accidental fold to near Pluto orbit, and it had only been disabled for a period of time? (or just needed days or weeks between limited short range folds, and otherwise meaning some connections didn't go poof, thus allowing the main gun to fire in ship mode)

What if the SDF-1 folded successful at first, ending up near the moon? (still with a chunk of ocean and the island, of course)

What if the SDF-1's barrier simply "shut down" and didn't overload and wipe out a large area?

What if the SDF-1 didn't take Macross island with it when it folded?

What if the SDF-1 made a safer "crash landing" and was much more intact?

What if the Zor that was killed was a clone made by Zor (just in case, as a decoy, whatever) and the real Zor was in stasis deep inside of the SDF-1, just to wake up or be found at a later time? (perhaps after they had the rebuilt SDF-1 try to fold for the first time)

What if Khyron and Azonia ended up having a child (or Azonia otherwise getting pregnant), causing a personality shift in Khyron and/or Azonia and the suicide attack on the SDF-1&2 never got done?

What if a few human looking Invid lived on Earth, working with humans, and otherwise keeping the other Invid at bay so long as people behaved? (toss in people being required to "hand over" protoculture cells before they are "burned out", perhaps exchanging them for fresh ones)

Heck, what if a human looking Invid somehow became a Bio-Maintenance Engineer (her CO knowing they was Invid and trusted them because they had proved themselves as something other than mindless killers, perhaps by saving human lives) and actually helped the REF with their protoculture problems and assisted with dealing with the forces of the Reagent?

What if someplaces on Earth had humans living in peace with the Invid somehow?
A place with the humans willingly helping out the Invid in some ways (helping with raising the FoL, for example, helping people to utilize clean power other than protoculture, etc), and the Invid offering humans assistance in some ways (like Troopers helping with heavy labor, offering protoculture cells to those they trust, keeping towns safe from human bandits, etc)

[Mike Taylor]

What if the Visitor arrived in the midst of World War 2?

[jedi078]

What if the Visitor arrived in the midst of World War 2?

Well I doubt the Allies and Axies power would have called a cease fire. Japan and the U.S. would have made a beeline to occupy the Macross Island.

Just who, would depend on what stage the war was in when the visitor arrived.

[Robotech_Elder]

Well Another Alt is if the Zentraedi Captured the SDF-1 would Dolza given up the last protoculture matrix to the Masters? I assumed that he wouldnt and used it as a bargaining chip against the Masters. Figured the Earth would have to ally with what ever Robotech Masters Forces left and did a type of guerilla warfare against the new Imperial Zentraedi Armada

[taalismn]

We should start compiling all the what ifs....

*What if Takahashi Rumiko had written the original Macross script?

*What if Lynn Kyle made a serious pass at Lisa Hayes?

*What if the Earth the SDF-1 crashlanded on was already divided up by very active god Pantheons?(Zeus stands atop a cloud hovering over Macross Island, while Amateratsu glares at him disapprovingly from a sun-dog hovering nearby)

*What if Lisa Hayes used more serious methods to secure her grip on Rick Hunter? And what if Lynn Minmei got just as serious in her claim ?(brief shot of both women...Lisa in commando cammos and packing a crossbow with sniper scope and Minmei in ninja garb and throwing knives...sneaking cat-and-mouse around and over a pre-fab house where a silhoutted head is just visible in the curtains...)

[taalismn]

*What if Lisa Hayes used more serious methods to secure her grip on Rick Hunter? And what if Lynn Minmei got just as serious in her claim ?(brief shot of both women...Lisa in commando cammos and packing a crossbow with sniper scope and Minmei in ninja garb and throwing knives...sneaking cat-and-mouse around and over a pre-fab house where a silhoutted head is just visible in the curtains...)

There would eventually be a menage a troi!

The Sterlings are out walking little Dana about the local park when they pass three people on a park bench...
Lisa Hayes and Lynn Minmei, both sporting various bandages, splints, and bruises...between them is a man, virtually mummified in a full-body cast(he's supported on a hand cart)...
Max: "Hi, Rick! Chose the wrong moment to step out onto your front step, again, eh?"
Rick: "mmmm...mmmm...mmmm"
Miriya: "Sorry to hear it....But when we walked by your house, it looked like they almost had the front wall replaced already!"
Rick: "mmmhmmm...mhm-mmmm"
Max: "I agree...well, at least Min and Lisa have agreed not to use explosives on each other again! That's a plus!"
(Minmei and Lisa look chagrined)

[taalismn]

*What if Lynn Kyle made a serious pass at Lisa Hayes?

It doesn't matter, the result would still be the same.

*What if the Earth the SDF-1 crashlanded on was already divided up by very active god Pantheons?(Zeus stands atop a cloud hovering over Macross Island, while Amateratsu glares at him disapprovingly from a sun-dog hovering nearby)

then we would have a very different series....... much like the very nonsensical Macross 7.

"KYLE!!!! YOU DRUNKEN LOUT!!!!!"(SMASH!)
or....
"KYLE!!! GET YOUR HANDS OFF MY WOMAN!!!!"(BLAM!)


Especially if combined with the Pantheon scenario....Lisa Hayes, daughter of Zeus....

"ALRIGHT!ALRIGHT!PUT THE LIGHTNING BOLTS DOWN, LISA!"
"Oh, very good, my great great grandson....snivelled like a true wuss..."
"Oh shut up, grandpa Loki....I don't see you with a power bolt aimed at your manhood..."
"IN my day, I had your cousin Thor threaten to crush my head with that hammer of his..."

[taalismn]

What if the SDF-1's pursuers were not the Zentraedi, but the Daleks?

"Hey, let's play some mecha badmitten with those metal saltshakers!"

"EXTERMINATE! EXTER(BAP!)-Miiiiinnnnn---(BAP!)......aaaTTTTEEE(BAP!)...SHHHeeeee....(BAP!)....aaaaHHHHHHHH(BAP!)"

[taalismn]

Other Alternities....

*What if Earth WASN'T liberated from the Invid by the REF, but by another (new) power that set up on Earth as its new Hegemony/Protectorate/Dominion?

*What if...instead of landing on an isolated desert isle, the SDF-1 came down on top of a major city?

[taalismn]

crashing down in the midst of the Tokyo traffic is going to be really nice! We can all see the screaming Japanese running away again.

In New York it would be..
"Hey, MOVE your double-parked alien #####, you're blocking mid-town traffic!!!"

In Los Angeles, the street artists would already be painting graffiti on it before the hull cooled...

[Alpha 11]

*What if Lisa Hayes used more serious methods to secure her grip on Rick Hunter? And what if Lynn Minmei got just as serious in her claim ?(brief shot of both women...Lisa in commando cammos and packing a crossbow with sniper scope and Minmei in ninja garb and throwing knives...sneaking cat-and-mouse around and over a pre-fab house where a silhoutted head is just visible in the curtains...)

There would eventually be a menage a troi!

The Sterlings are out walking little Dana about the local park when they pass three people on a park bench...
Lisa Hayes and Lynn Minmei, both sporting various bandages, splints, and bruises...between them is a man, virtually mummified in a full-body cast(he's supported on a hand cart)...
Max: "Hi, Rick! Chose the wrong moment to step out onto your front step, again, eh?"
Rick: "mmmm...mmmm...mmmm"
Miriya: "Sorry to hear it....But when we walked by your house, it looked like they almost had the front wall replaced already!"
Rick: "mmmhmmm...mhm-mmmm"
Max: "I agree...well, at least Min and Lisa have agreed not to use explosives on each other again! That's a plus!"
(Minmei and Lisa look chagrined)

That was so good!

[taalismn]

*What if Lisa Hayes used more serious methods to secure her grip on Rick Hunter? And what if Lynn Minmei got just as serious in her claim ?(brief shot of both women...Lisa in commando cammos and packing a crossbow with sniper scope and Minmei in ninja garb and throwing knives...sneaking cat-and-mouse around and over a pre-fab house where a silhoutted head is just visible in the curtains...)

There would eventually be a menage a troi!

The Sterlings are out walking little Dana about the local park when they pass three people on a park bench...
Lisa Hayes and Lynn Minmei, both sporting various bandages, splints, and bruises...between them is a man, virtually mummified in a full-body cast(he's supported on a hand cart)...
Max: "Hi, Rick! Chose the wrong moment to step out onto your front step, again, eh?"
Rick: "mmmm...mmmm...mmmm"
Miriya: "Sorry to hear it....But when we walked by your house, it looked like they almost had the front wall replaced already!"
Rick: "mmmhmmm...mhm-mmmm"
Max: "I agree...well, at least Min and Lisa have agreed not to use explosives on each other again! That's a plus!"
(Minmei and Lisa look chagrined)

That was so good!

Thanks...remember, Lisa's a military brat...so it galls me when she turns into such a wallflower at times....And Minmei, being restaurant-raised, is probably a deft hand with a knife...if only she hadn't been turned to the path of being an idol-singer....(sigh)

[Protoculture]

1) What if the Masters Won the Second Robotech War?

We'll be enslaved & reprocessed as Masters clone societies & become next generation automaton bioroid pilots needed to thrash the Invid.

2) What if the Invid Arrived Early?

It will be free for all slugfest. Much like in New Gen saga, Invid would simply folded onto SDF-1 ruins & nestled there, Masters & Humans caught off-guard, but the war has to go on. As Invid didn't wanna share their precious FoL & protoculture supplies plus Masters is their sworn enemy, Masters also didn't have any intention doing so given Invid is their archnemesis & protoculture is desperately needed to rebuilt Robotech Imperium. Earth will be a new battleground for both Masters & Invid, & we the humans, are caught in the middle of epic war.

3) What if the Zentraedi Still Lost But Rendered Earth Uninhabitable?

Some cockroaches would survived the devastated Earth, & would later become the dominant species on the planet. Expect a new Earth civilisation by talkin' intelligent roaches.

4) What if Lynn Minmei Joined the Military?

The Sarge at the bootcamp gonna shag her & dismissed for sexual misconduct.

[Protoculture]

1) What if Rick Hunter HAD rescued TR Edwards from Alaska Base?

There will be no Hunter & Edwards schisms, no rivalry & power struggle within EF High Command, no secret alliance between TR Edwards & Invid Regent, no development of Neutron missile & Shadow Technology by TR Edwards, no brief civil war between Hunter & Edwards factions, finally, Lynn Kyle would not be shot dead by Edwards while attempting to rescue Minmay.

2) What if the Zentraedi and the Invid actually joined forces?(and what might it take to create this unlikely union?)

If Regent divorces Regess, Regess may have considered marrying Dolza. Her half of Invid race will follow her blindly, while Dolza, who've no experience in sexual mating, would've been intoxicated by his new wife. Dolza commandeered 6 million ships & Regess with her millions of fanatic Invid hordes would extinguished both Masters & Invid Regent.

3) What if the Karbarreans had stumbled across Optera and the secrets of creating Protoculture before the Tiroleans could hit the planet?

Expect a new giant slave-warriors in the appearance of goliath Teddy Bears trampling all over the galaxy.

4) What if Perytonian magic was REAL, and they'd openned up a mystic can of worms?

Their hell-ridden planet will be sucked by nearby black hole.

5) What if a ship from, say, the Three Galaxies, had crashed on Earth BEFORE the SDF-1 arrived?

Then it will not be Robotech Saga.

[Protoculture]

What if the SDF-1's fold drive didn't vanish during the accidental fold to near Pluto orbit, and it had only been disabled for a period of time? (or just needed days or weeks between limited short range folds, and otherwise meaning some connections didn't go poof, thus allowing the main gun to fire in ship mode)

The SDF-1 would've simply folded back to Earth.

What if the SDF-1 folded successful at first, ending up near the moon? (still with a chunk of ocean and the island, of course)

The Zent fleet would've wasted the SDF-1, retrieve the ship & Earth have a 2nd satellite.

What if the SDF-1's barrier simply "shut down" and didn't overload and wipe out a large area?

Khyron's strike naval ships missiles would found their marks & SDF-1 burst like a Roman Candle .... obliterating & still wiping out a large area.

What if the SDF-1 didn't take Macross island with it when it folded?

There will be no Lynn Minmay factor or 70,000 civillian refugees or city inside a giant sardine can they call SDF-1.

What if the SDF-1 made a safer "crash landing" and was much more intact?

We will be tempted to contact the real owner, in doing so, the vast Zent Armada would simply appear to Earth's doorstep, retrieve the SDF-1, & bombarded us to extinction in 1999.

[Protoculture]

What if the Zor that was killed was a clone made by Zor (just in case, as a decoy, whatever) and the real Zor was in stasis deep inside of the SDF-1, just to wake up or be found at a later time? (perhaps after they had the rebuilt SDF-1 try to fold for the first time)

He would manipulate UEG High Command much like he duped the Masters for personal gains. He would attempt to established Flower of Life orchards on Earth & secretly contacting his former lover, Invid Regess to come & join him to rule planet Earth together & carved their new Empire.

What if Khyron and Azonia ended up having a child (or Azonia otherwise getting pregnant), causing a personality shift in Khyron and/or Azonia and the suicide attack on the SDF-1&2 never got done?

There will be no SDF-3.

What if a few human looking Invid lived on Earth, working with humans, and otherwise keeping the other Invid at bay so long as people behaved? (toss in people being required to "hand over" protoculture cells before they are "burned out", perhaps exchanging them for fresh ones)

They would become famous politician, secretly taking over UEG High Command & Earth political structure along with its Robotech military. Then they'll call dear Mother to come back.

Heck, what if a human looking Invid somehow became a Bio-Maintenance Engineer (her CO knowing they was Invid and trusted them because they had proved themselves as something other than mindless killers, perhaps by saving human lives) and actually helped the REF with their protoculture problems and assisted with dealing with the forces of the Reagent?

The simulagent will betray REF at the behest of Invid Regent & sheltered by TR EDwards.

What if someplaces on Earth had humans living in peace with the Invid somehow?

Provided the Invid keep their ancestry a secret.

A place with the humans willingly helping out the Invid in some ways (helping with raising the FoL, for example, helping people to utilize clean power other than protoculture, etc), and the Invid offering humans assistance in some ways (like Troopers helping with heavy labor, offering protoculture cells to those they trust, keeping towns safe from human bandits, etc)

There's already the Invid-ran slave camps situated near FoL orchards. Invid even kept some town safe from bandits especially Norristown & Soldiertown, provided human leadership become Invid stooges.

[taalismn]

1) What if Rick Hunter HAD rescued TR Edwards from Alaska Base?

There will be no Hunter & Edwards schisms, no rivalry & power struggle within EF High Command, no secret alliance between TR Edwards & Invid Regent, no development of Neutron missile & Shadow Technology by TR Edwards, no brief civil war between Hunter & Edwards factions, finally, Lynn Kyle would not be shot dead by Edwards while attempting to rescue Minmay..

That's one possibility....
Another might be...Edwards, in a psychotic fit of gratitude, decided to become Rick's new 'Big Brother'...looking out for him in the way Edwards is used to, and that he feels Hunter is incapable of, namely bending arms and silencing dissent...so Lynn Kyle still ends up getting shot dead for 'dissing the guy who pulled me out of hell'.
Now the problem is Admiral HUnter has a guy who's the equivalent of a rabid Cujo trying to show him what 'power is all about!'.

[taalismn]

What happens if Breetai were to fall in love with one of the Bridge Bunnies and marry them?!

Probably he'd have to remain at MIcronian size(though even Micronized he'd dwarf his mate)....NOw, if he;d caught Claudia on the rebound from Fokker's death, THAT could have some interesting aspects....A rather prosaic peace between a widower and a representative of the race that made her so...
BUt overall, besides further infuriating some hotheads in both HUmanity and among the Zentraedi, I doubt it would have much effect...
THOUGH...if he tended to remain close to his blushing bride, he might have had a signficant bodyguard force close at hand to knock Khyron out of the air during his final attack...Or else Khyron would bend heaven and hell to be there in force to catch and assassinate a micronized Breetai with his guard down(thus emphasizing Breetai's 'weakness' for fraternizing with the inferior humans).

[R Ditto]

What if a few human looking Invid lived on Earth, working with humans, and otherwise keeping the other Invid at bay so long as people behaved? (toss in people being required to "hand over" protoculture cells before they are "burned out", perhaps exchanging them for fresh ones)

They would become famous politician, secretly taking over UEG High Command & Earth political structure along with its Robotech military. Then they'll call dear Mother to come back.

Heck, what if a human looking Invid somehow became a Bio-Maintenance Engineer (her CO knowing they was Invid and trusted them because they had proved themselves as something other than mindless killers, perhaps by saving human lives) and actually helped the REF with their protoculture problems and assisted with dealing with the forces of the Reagent?

The simulagent will betray REF at the behest of Invid Regent & sheltered by TR EDwards.

What if someplaces on Earth had humans living in peace with the Invid somehow?

Provided the Invid keep their ancestry a secret.

A place with the humans willingly helping out the Invid in some ways (helping with raising the FoL, for example, helping people to utilize clean power other than protoculture, etc), and the Invid offering humans assistance in some ways (like Troopers helping with heavy labor, offering protoculture cells to those they trust, keeping towns safe from human bandits, etc)

There's already the Invid-ran slave camps situated near FoL orchards. Invid even kept some town safe from bandits especially Norristown & Soldiertown, provided human leadership become Invid stooges.

Okay, for starters, can we stop assuming all human type Invid are Corg rip-offs? They can be stuff like Abberant (sense of honor) or Anarchist (selfish, not crazy or kill crazed)
As has been displayed by Marlene/Ariel and Sera, and in a way, the Regis, the Invid are not just cold hearted, devious, manipulating killers, that they can be understanding and adapt in various ways other than just shooting/ripping apart/blowng up/betraying/back stabbing something.

The human like Invid are actually capable of being independent and not part of the whole 'one mind' thing (again, as has been observed occuring with Marlene/Ariel and Sera).
The focus during the Invid Invasion part of RT was on one little group of aventurers/freedom fighters, and they had 2, count them, 2, human like invid that appeared to have come to like/understand humans in possitive ways... To me, that says that there is a chance that some human like invid, if interacting with the right people, could actually have similar results, with a human like Invid coming to do more than just observe/spy on people.

Toss in that if the Invid sent some forces back to keep growing the FoL, that the human like Invid would possibly be the ones in command of some of the hives while the Regies is off planet, so there is a chance that a "nice" human like Invid living peacefully in a town. That being be a reason for Invid protecting the town, not because of Invid sympathizers, but because the local Royal Command Battloid pilot in charge of things in the local area wants to keep their "human friends" safe.
(might have a possitive effect if the people find out someone is a human like Invid that was trying to keep them safe and let them otherwise let them be free).

That's the overall basis for my what if stuff dealing with human like Invid, of the ones that weren't miscreant or had become more like Marlene/Ariel and Sera.

And on the angle of them being independent and being created by the Regies, why in the heck would they even bother to have anything to do with the Regent?
I would see the Regent wanting to kill a human looking Invid just because they are Invid that look like humans and not like Invid... (and perhaps also because they are more or less on the side of the Regies)

Back to the other stuff relating to my SDF-1 what if stuff...

How could the Zentraedi recover the SDF-1 if they wasted it?

If the SDF-1 ended up near pluto with the fold drive intact, why would they fold back ASAP? They probably wouldn't want to chance it considering they wanted to make a jump a few hundred thousand miles away to behind the moon, and missed their target by at least few billion miles...

Why would the SDF-1 and SDF-2 not getting blown up prevent there from being an SDF-3? There's an SDF-4 (the really big ship at the end of the Invid Invasion), and it was made even though the SDF-3 was around the time it was built... One does not simply cancel or otherwise stop building bigger/better ships because because earlier ones weren't blown to bits. I would see the SDF-3 getting built anyways, just because of the mission it was built for... and because it is bigger, more heavilly armed in a few ways, and much more better designed to take on the Robotech Masters than the SDF-1 or 2 might be capable of.

As for the SDF-1 and a "safer landing", I meant "not a total burtn wreck plowed into the ground that needs major rebuilding"... I mean land in a way that left it a bit more intact (which I think would indicate battle damage from being chased by the Zentraedi would be more evident, not less...)

[taalismn]

How could the Zentraedi recover the SDf-1 if they wasted it?
Well, if the SDF-1 HAD been destroyed, the rest of the series wouldn't have existed...likely the Zentraedi would have shuffled their feet while trying to come up with a way to explain to the Masters their big 'Oops!' before settling on a convenient scapegoat...the Micronians ...Khyron, to deflect attention from the fact that it was HIS boneheadedness that cost them the surprise, immediately leads the charge against the Micronians who 'used a self-destruct device' to cheat the Zentraedi of the prize, and goes after sources of Reflex energy on Earth...The UEG command, congratulating themselves on having gotten rid of the big target called the SDF-1, suddenly find the Botaru banging on the surface doors of Alaska Base...
Ultimately, after blowing up most of Earth's major cities in spite, the bulk of Breetai's fleet leaves, leaving behind Khyron's troops to sift through the wreckage for SOMETHING to show for all their trouble...and maybe get zapped by any local resistance, so Breetai doesn't have to dirty his hands throttling the snot himself...

Eventually, the Masters do get around to visiting Earth to see for themselves that the Matrix is lost, finding an Earth that's become a battleground between outraged UEG forces and an increasingly insane Khyron...

And then the Invid come, seeking revenge, but finding no Flowers...but the Masters sitting around without power...

[Peacebringer]

What if the Zentraedi, Masters and Invid actually looked like aliens, instead of humans with blue hair?

What if they new back in the 80s, that to open a worm hole, you need the energy of a Jupiter sized planet, to vaporize in an anti-matter explosion?

You know what happens when a large object, such as the SDF-1, crashes into Earth from the velocities needed for space travel crashes into Earth? A very large and bright explosion followed by a nuclear winter and a mass extinction. What if that happened?

[NMI]

What if the SDF-1 had crashed near Chi-Town of Rifts earth and the CS acquired Robotechnology?

[jedi078]

What if the SDF-1 had crashed near Chi-Town of Rifts earth and the CS acquired Robotechnology?

I've always had the concept that the Robotech wars took place before the golden age. (don't have Chaos Earth, but I came up with concept back in 1997)

Thus instead of F-14's being found/used by the CS they would be VF-1's, and other nations too would have transformable mecha.

I think there is even a cannon transformable sub, that looks a lot like the LRV-588 from Strike Force. (don't have the German books).

[Mike Taylor]

I think there is even a canon transformable sub, that looks a lot like the LRV-588 from Strike Force. (don't have the German books).

It's in either in Mindwerks or Rifts Undersea, but it does indeed look like a Veritech fighter.

[taalismn]

What if they new back in the 80s, that to open a worm hole, you need the energy of a Jupiter sized planet, to vaporize in an anti-matter explosion?

It would remain a purely theoretical item of little practical interest, as the technology to produce enough AM for such an explosion just wasn't(and still isn't) around....Like knowing the process to produce a singularity, or self-sustaining nuclear fusion...sure, the knowledge is there, but the technology isn't, and even if we knew HOW to produce a wormhole, would we be able to control where it came out? Considering the problems we have just moving beyond the Moon with any sort of manned mission, any effort to exploit wormhole technology would be put on hold until advances in technology made it convenient, or the technology dropped into our laps(like a StarGate or SDF with FTL capability).

[R Ditto]

Well, it doesn't matter how much money they earn at NASA if there isn't much money left to do other stuff... probably why they don't do much work, because there probably isn't much money left for them to work with after they get their paychecks.

They are probably going to need the International Space Station just to make it a whole lot stage a mission to mars.

You're looking at a trip of a half year just to get there, which means you are going to need enough fuel and supplies to get there, enough fuel and supplies during the stay there, and enough fuel and supplies to get back, and extra fuel and supplies just in case problems cause the mission to take longer than expected...
Then there are the effects of being in space for long periods of time, what you are supposed to do with an emergency situation when you are weeks or months away from any hospital, not to mention needing to carry a nice supply of spare parts, some sort of power source in addition to solar power...

Good thing the SDF-1 was equipped with sub-light drives and a city worth of supplies...

On the remark of the NGR in Rifts having the transformable sub, it's in Rifts Underseas, p 199.
Which makes me think...
Isn't the NGR also working on anti-grav tech? Not to mention their shield tech...

Hmm... didn't the SDF-1 have it's anti-grav system go on vacation during their initial attempt to take off? I wonder if an anti-grav module, a chunk of the system which they made the pin point barriers with and maybe some mecha or tech for the VFs got blasted off into another dimension... say popping in the area of Germany when the Rifts hit or by a rift at some time after the Rifts came...

[Snuffy]

No. The Anti-grav system on SDF-1 did not go on vacation, if they would have at least come back..... they quit altogether, just like some of the staffs in Airbus Aerospace Industrie right now...

The anti-gravity systems pulled away from the SDF-1 right through the outer hull and floated away on their own.

So that is where the fold system ended up, somewhere in Germany (NGR).

[taalismn]

Hmm... Somehow I doubt that.... though it might have returned to the Robotech Masters.....

Openning up the 'What if the SDF-1's Fold Drive System made a high speed return to Tirol?' scenario...

"Shazan, what's that high-pitched noise?"
"It sounds like...."
(Anonymous clone security guard)"INCOMMMINNNNGGGG!!!!!!!"
BBBBBBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Invid Regent: "Whaddya mean, there's nothing but a crater where the central temple used to be? What did they do, blow themselves up? That's not sporting! I wanted to kill them myself!"


Another 'What if?"

*What if Zor Prime realized the utter stupidity of blowing up the Masters' flagship? "Scooch over Dana, there's enough room in this pod for two..."

[Kryzbyn]

What if Zor thought slugs were sexy...

What if the Regiss wasn't an emotional wreck?

What if Exedore was gay? Actually, this may not be a what if...

[taalismn]

What if Zor thought slugs were sexy...
Hmmm, I guess at one time he DID....

What if the Regiss wasn't an emotional wreck?

Worse yet...what she had Zor's love child....?

What if Exedore was gay? Actually, this may not be a what if...

And Breetai always wondered what THAT look was all about....

[Kryzbyn]

GAG!
LOL that reminds me of several scenes in south park the movie with Satan and Saddam for some reason...

[taalismn]

We would have lost big time! Remember there was so many more Zentraedi ships that weren't among the Breetai ships. Even if the humans could have the slimmest chance of repelling the Breetai fleet, what about the next wave?

Agreed...even with 'contamination' AND Breetai's fleet coming over onto our side AND the Grand Cannon, we STILL took a massive beating that very well had the survivors scracthing their heads and asking themselves "if this is victory..."

[taalismn]

GAG!
LOL that reminds me of several scenes in south park the movie with Satan and Saddam for some reason...

Well, remember, within limits, the Invid ARE polymorphic and psionic....The Regis could just screw with Zor's mind while incorporating his genetic material into a new Invid form...We'd have a Stage Fiver and true Human-Invid hybrid long before the New Generation arc....

[taalismn]

"What! Asexual?! Where's the Fun in that?"

Exactly....

So with a Zor-child, we can have either a perfect infiltrator of Masters/Human society, or an arch-villian out to wreck vengeance on his father...Captain Piccard might be able to identify with this...

THough COrg might have some problems taking orders from a 'half-breed' who has a direct line descent from the Regis..
"You're only in charge because your mom's the Regis!"
"Shut up, Corg."

[R Ditto]

Ok, here's something similar that's been floating in my head...
human-invid hybrids resulting of relationships between humans and human form Invid...

End up with something that looks like a human but has skin that looks like that of a regular invid and with dark eyes.... but otherwise looks human...
Although I wonder what color blood might be if it where a mix of red and green...
(not to mention wondering what the human parent might think if they weren't aware they were dating or married to an alien...)

Still makes me think of the odd idea of some Invid living in pease with humans... and if such cross-breeds did occur somehow, that would really make things interesting if those little peaceful communities ran into either regular Invid, Invid of the Regent, or your typical Invid hating humans...

[taalismn]

Literal bluebloods?

One thing's for sure...between Zor's purple hair and the Regis's Invid psychiology, their kid could have some really interesting looks...provided follicle-wize he doesn't take after Mom...(or, since we're discussing AUs here, why shouldn't the Regis grow hair in addition to a humanoid shape? I mean, maybe she went with the bald look to keep from TOTALLY alienating the grand slug Regent, but if the bun's already out of the oven, why not completely diss him?)

Hmmm...A Zor/Regis offspring could add a new dynamic to the whole Regis/Regent tete-a-tete, especially if JUnior proves better leader material than the bull-ox Regent....

[taalismn]

Zor Prime:"Dana...I have this crawling feeling up my spine that somebody may come looking to hit me up for child support....give me your gun..."

[R Ditto]

Zor Prime:"Dana...I have this crawling feeling up my spine that somebody may come looking to hit me up for child support....give me your gun..."

Um, yeah...

Cue Musika and her sisters (or any other group of 3 sisters that are Mistresses of the Cosmic Harp) showing up, really angry, all three with kids (or expecting kids), along with a few Terminators escorting them... one of which is wearing a tie (as in, wearing Terminator armor with a clip on/stick on tie on the armor) and carrying a briefcase instead of a gun...

[Kryzbyn]

WOW I never thought of all of this...
What if in the Regis' fractured and emotionally unstable mind that human/stage 5 invid cross-breeds were her intentional idea for a stage 6?

If you think about it...its like what the king said in braveheart "the problem with Scottland is that it's full of Scotts!" then he enacted prima nocte to breed them out...
What if the Regis ultimately wanted a smiliar outcome, and made the stage 5's look like humans and have a range of emotion for this purpose?
End result is you end up with a planet that grows the flower of life AND is populated with her children. This would work even better if the "hive mind" was a dominant trait passed by the invid parent.

[taalismn]

WOW I never thought of all of this...
What if in the Regis' fractured and emotionally unstable mind that human/stage 5 invid cross-breeds were her intentional idea for a stage 6?

If you think about it...its like what the king said in braveheart "the problem with Scottland is that it's full of Scotts!" then he enacted prima nocte to breed them out...
What if the Regis ultimately wanted a smiliar outcome, and made the stage 5's look like humans and have a range of emotion for this purpose?
End result is you end up with a planet that grows the flower of life AND is populated with her children. This would work even better if the "hive mind" was a dominant trait passed by the invid parent.

The Japanese played a similar game with the royal genetics and lineage...surround the Emperor with your own family amd make sure successive generations of leaders marry only your family(and its related lines) and eventually you usurp the entire Imperial bloodline...

The 'Hive Mind' trait might be better expressed as a higher potential for a psychic link similar that between twins...that gradually strengthens into a mutual consensus...combine it with a hankering for Flower of Life to promote even more powerful changes...

Expand the concept enough and the Invid bloodline eventually assimilates even Zentraedi bloodlines...THAT would be an adapative mechanosm...absorbing the genetics of your most persistant and successful enemies....

[taalismn]

" I have been hired to terminate you for your neligence in child support by my three clients."

Cut to Dana Sterling being held back by Dante and Nichols who are trying to pry a baseball bat out of her hands...Meanwhile Philips is busy taking a pistol out of the hands of a fidgeting Bowie Grant who's developed a severe facial tic...Meanwhile, Nova Satori is looking kinda green around the gills....

[taalismn]

That idea did not begin with the Japanese..... It has is roots all the way back in China's earliest dynasties and kingdoms! Well that would be something like 2200BC (although so far they have only uncovered up to 1000-1800BC)

Makes sense...and the Japanese would have brought it over when they started landing in Japan(and displaced the Ainu)


It took so long for genetics to be accepted as a science, but humans have already been using it for political machinations for so long....

[taalismn]

Other 'What Ifs...'

* What if the Regis/Regent relationship was abusive?

*What if the Invid found Earth shortly after the Rain of Death...and offered to help Earth rebuild?

[R Ditto]

Other 'What Ifs...'

* What if the Regis/Regent relationship was abusive?

*What if the Invid found Earth shortly after the Rain of Death...and offered to help Earth rebuild?

1: I would say the would be more inclined to blast the heck out of each other's forces more often.

2: With the RDF using Protoculture, the Invid might not be very friendly, but at least the REF wouldn't be in play yet, so cool heads might prevail since the RDF wouldn't have much to offer resistance with...

Although it comes to question of why the Invid would come to Earth early...
But that could be easy, perhaps some were tailing Dolza's fortress, reported back that the Zentraedi just got their butts handed to them by a force of other Zentraedi and others who stood against the will of the RT Masters.

That could peak the Regis' interest enough to make a "peaceful" visit, perhaps first asking for a good deal of the "protoculture matrix" on the SDF-1... (just 1% of it is probably more than enough for the RDF for a long time) but if the Regis found out that Earth might grow the FoL, and discovered it would grow on Earth, then I could see a sort of treaty of sorts Perhaps allowing the RDF to still use protoculture, so long as their use is restricted to no more than a certain percentage of their growing output of FoL. Perhaps also helping Earth to develop other alternative power sources, such as true fusion tech, or perhaps some adaptation of how Invid generate power.

Which could lead to the formation of the REF with the Invid being the first non-human race to become members... which could have led to a combination of REF and Invid force attacking the RT Masters homeworld...

And they arrive at Tyrol and find some of the Masters had already left to try and find Dolza and his missing fleet. The Masters' fleet arrives at Earth just to run into a small RDF space force along with a few ships of the newer fleet from the SC era, both of which are quickly surprised to see the Masters' ships attacked by ton of really ticked off Invid swarming like killer bees. The Earth forces quickly find out it is the Masters who showed up, they quickly join the attack and throw everything they have at the Masters, who already got their hands full.
Perhaps the Stage 5 Invid were already around by this time, due to the Invid having been on Earth for a good decade or so.

Hmm... SDF-3 carrying Invid in addition to its other stuff...
My "what ifs" of Stage 5's being useful members of the REF would be applicable in this situation... so would the whole thing of Invid and Humans living and working together in peace... although good old fashioned human stupidity, er, bigotry and prejudice, could cause some problems, hate crimes, etc, requiring the formation of a true multi-racial law enforcement group...

I think I got to write this stuff down in my notes...