Australia 2 Dreamtime

Preacher · Unread post by **Preacher** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 6:01 am

Is officially cancelled at least for now according to the latest Rifter 28.

CyCo · Unread post by **CyCo** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:08 am

Bugger. I wonder if they've let Ben know.

Actually, I'm fairly sure they havn't.

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:23 am

BTW, did Ben submit a manuscript that ended up rejected/never rewritten/unedited for publication? or is the thing cancelled because there's no manuscript to prepare for publication in the first place.

Josh Sinsapaugh · Tue Oct 19, 2004 8:22 am

Svartalf wrote:BTW, did Ben submit a manuscript that ended up rejected/never rewritten/unedited for publication? or is the thing cancelled because there's no manuscript to prepare for publication in the first place.

I wonder that myself. Australia 1 references 2, which is stupid as 2 still ain't (and probably never will) be out yet.

Unread post by **AlexM** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:45 am

Josh Sinsapaugh wrote:
Svartalf wrote:BTW, did Ben submit a manuscript that ended up rejected/never rewritten/unedited for publication? or is the thing cancelled because there's no manuscript to prepare for publication in the first place.

I wonder that myself. Australia 1 references 2, which is stupid as 2 still ain't (and probably never will) be out yet.

We had the intention of doing Rifts Australia 2 but the project was put on the back burner. It is cancelled for now.

Alex Marciniszyn

Dr. Doom III · Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:19 pm

Svartalf wrote:BTW, did Ben submit a manuscript that ended up rejected/never rewritten/unedited for publication? or is the thing cancelled because there's no manuscript to prepare for publication in the first place.

From what we have always heard Australia was submitted as a huge manuscript. Far larger then was expected.
It was edited down to Australia 1 and the rest went on the shelf waiting for editing to make into Australia 2 and 3.

grandmaster z0b · Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:50 pm

Maybe some of it could come out in Rifters? We need at least something to make the original book worthwhile.

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:34 pm

z0b wrote:Maybe some of it could come out in Rifters? We need at least something to make the original book worthwhile.

Forget it... if they won't edit the mammoth to the size of a large book... they are not going to cut it into even smaller bits for rifter publication.

Just makes you wonder at priorities, when you understand that the Australian manuscript is supposed to need fairly little rewriting, and compare that to the unnameable crap that got published in China 2... and the fact that for weeks, the needed chian 3's status was in limbo.

Nightbreed · Unread post by **Nightbreed** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:20 am

I guess no campaigns in the land down under i guess.

Did they say that it's shelved or canceled outright?

Dr. Doom III · Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:32 am

Nightbreed wrote:I guess no campaigns in the land down under i guess.

Did they say that it's shelved or canceled outright?

Canceled for now.
Who knows if it's for good or not.

However the last book listed as canceled for now was Africa 2.
It's canceled for good.

Dr. Doom III · Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:38 am

Geronimo 2.0 wrote:If they aren't gonna publish it, at least put it online.

They can't put the stuff they say they are going to put online online.

Dr. Doom III · Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:46 am

Mike SSN-723 wrote:So this stuff was written up not in-house? How about if the guys that submitted the material posted it online? Or is there some kind of agreement that prevents that from happening?

He was a freelancer as are most of the Palladium writers.

Yep.
Once he sends it in it's Palladium's to do with as they please.

grandmaster z0b · Wed Oct 20, 2004 2:46 am

grrrr

maybe I should publish my ideas for the dreamtime on the web then.

CyCo · Unread post by **CyCo** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:39 am

Yep. Doomie got it right, but don't let it go to your tin head Doomie. ;)~

Ben ended up submitting a huge manuscript, and when Kevin finally read it, he loved 95% of it. So rather then scrapping most of it, it was to be edited into 2, possably 3 books.

So yeah, Palladium basically have neutered the Australian section of their Rifts setting, by not publishing at least Rifts Australia : The Dreamtime. It's only half a setting. Still playable, but not complete.

CyCo · Unread post by **CyCo** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:44 am

Oh, I forgot one thing. Maryann has said in the past that the two remaining books still need a fair amount of editing.

Think of it this way. Ben submitted a huge manusctipt. Keven decided to cut it up into three books. He edited one and published that, but he has the rest to work on, as he took parts from here, more from there, a little from the middle...... So he has to reconstruct it into something that resembles a book.

At least, thats my take on it.

glitterboy2098 · Wed Oct 20, 2004 1:55 pm

LordRashagoth wrote:lame lame lame lame lame lame how many times are they going to do this?

Maybe they are canning rifts and moving on to splinters lets list the promises they have canceled!

Rifts Lumeria
Rifts Japan2
Rifts Africa 2
Rifts Aussieland 2 & 3

thats just what i can think of off the top of my head geez all of them are needed but alias so many thoughts down the drain, I am getting rather annoyed at all of this.

Come on Palladium get off your duffs and works on this teasers, until i see them hit the shelves my excitement and money spending will be ummm just like those books cancelled.

and it's interesting. of the 4 you list, all but africa have been commented on by palladium staff as the material being there, but just not edited into a final book format. come on, PB, assign a freelancer the job or something, but if you got most of the material already, why not use it?

Vrykolas2k · Unread post by **Vrykolas2k** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 4:14 pm

Geronimo 2.0 wrote:If they aren't gonna publish it, at least put it online.

I agree... it would be nice if palladium put more stuph online, especially if they're nae actually going to USE it.

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:31 pm

LordRashagoth wrote:
I am actually shocked that Rifts: china 2 actually came out!

Don't jump out of your pants yet..When China 1 came out, it was made clear that the stuff was to be published over 3 books.

Then China 2 came out. Full of evil, bad, inconsistent (at least with the rest of the Palladium range) and probably hard to use in practice without some heavy modification and house rulezing, crap. But some of the material they had promised to put in wasn't there. And with Erick going back to China, the status of China 3 was held in limbo for weeks.

Now the thing is officially announced, scheduled "tentative november release" ... and PB's deadline accuracy is notorious... I'll be happy if I see it before June 2005, and overjoyed if it should be available for Xmas.

CyCo · Unread post by **CyCo** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:57 am

Svartalf wrote:
LordRashagoth wrote:
I am actually shocked that Rifts: china 2 actually came out!

Now the thing is officially announced, scheduled "tentative november release" ... and PB's deadline accuracy is notorious...

Don't hold your breath, but they've been saying that for Oz 2 & 3 for several years, and who knows how many other books we still havn't seen...

grandmaster z0b · Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:24 pm

I presume one of the problems is that as a RPG, all the editing really needs to be done by one or two people to maintain game balance (not that this really happens in Palladium books) so they can't just hire another person to edit them. This is a problem that really needs to be addressed, as an avid buyer of Palladium books, especially Rifts, I don't think I'm going to be buying any new books until I'm happy with their commitment to their fanbase - especially as an Australian.