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In Dragons & Gods, under the Dragon Bone Weapons section, it says that "Many (70%) magic wands are also made from dragon bone."

Firstly: Does this mean that 70% of Dragon Bone Weapons are wands, or that 70% of all wands are Dragon Bone?

Secondly: Where does one find information on Wands other than Millennium Tree entries or the Rifter article?
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13eowulf wrote:In Dragons & Gods, under the Dragon Bone Weapons section, it says that "Many (70%) magic wands are also made from dragon bone."

Firstly: Does this mean that 70% of Dragon Bone Weapons are wands, or that 70% of all wands are Dragon Bone?

Secondly: Where does one find information on Wands other than Millennium Tree entries or the Rifter article?


1 = 70% of wands are from dragon bone.

2 = If there's not anything in PFRPG, then there is a Rifter article. Not sure which one.
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Wands in palladium? What book i'd like to check it out
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1) 70% of magic wands.
2) none that I know of.

The only place I know of that specifically deals with wands is in one of the rifters. The is the focus object in the rifter magical proficiencies but that is not one set thing.

There is also the Talisman spell which can make use of wands.

yes I know I'm grasping at straws....but that is all there is.

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Riftmaker wrote:Wands in palladium? What book i'd like to check it out


I included some rules on it in the MoM manuscript.
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13eowulf wrote:In Dragons & Gods, under the Dragon Bone Weapons section, it says that "Many (70%) magic wands are also made from dragon bone."

Firstly: Does this mean that 70% of Dragon Bone Weapons are wands, or that 70% of all wands are Dragon Bone?

Secondly: Where does one find information on Wands other than Millennium Tree entries or the Rifter article?


Welcome to the wonderful world of "lets toss something cool sounding out there with out bothering to fact check it"
On the interesting side, officially.....there are no wands. which means that 70% of 0...is no wands use dragon bone.
(Which makes sense considering the statements about the violent reaction dragons have to the use of their bones to make things, the idea that 70% of an entire class of magic item uses it is.....far fetched at best)
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eliakon wrote:Welcome to the wonderful world of "lets toss something cool sounding out there with out bothering to fact check it"
On the interesting side, officially.....there are no wands. which means that 70% of 0...is no wands use dragon bone.
(Which makes sense considering the statements about the violent reaction dragons have to the use of their bones to make things, the idea that 70% of an entire class of magic item uses it is.....far fetched at best)


Far fetched... why do you say that? How does the idea of 100% of an entire class of Juicer continually using dragon blood sit with you? Still, if I were a dragon, I'd make as few mage friends as possible if that were the case.

As for canon, check out PFRPG Island at the Edge of the World (p.93-95) for Crystal Wands -- although you need psionics for that -- or PFRPG Eastern Territory (p.66-67) for Millennium Tree Wands.
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partingshot wrote:
eliakon wrote:Welcome to the wonderful world of "lets toss something cool sounding out there with out bothering to fact check it"
On the interesting side, officially.....there are no wands. which means that 70% of 0...is no wands use dragon bone.
(Which makes sense considering the statements about the violent reaction dragons have to the use of their bones to make things, the idea that 70% of an entire class of magic item uses it is.....far fetched at best)


Far fetched... why do you say that? How does the idea of 100% of an entire class of Juicer continually using dragon blood sit with you? Still, if I were a dragon, I'd make as few mage friends as possible if that were the case.

As for canon, check out PFRPG Island at the Edge of the World (p.93-95) for Crystal Wands -- although you need psionics for that -- or PFRPG Eastern Territory (p.66-67) for Millennium Tree Wands.

There is a bit of difference between the Dragon Juicer in Rifts (which is, btw explicitly mentioned to be antagonistic to dragons and has issues with dragons killing them out of hand. Is also new, rare, limited to a few places that are already antagonistic to dragons ) and claiming that almost three quarters of an entire class of magic items, in a world that is FAR more afraid of dragons uses dragon parts. Right after making a note of just how violently opposed to that dragons are in that game....
How (and WHY?) are 70% of these wands made with dragon bone, when in the PF world there are dragons who track down and kill the makers and sellers of such items, when most dragons object violently enough to seize and destroy them?
It defies all logic.
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eliakon wrote:There is a bit of difference between the Dragon Juicer in Rifts (which is, btw explicitly mentioned to be antagonistic to dragons and has issues with dragons killing them out of hand. Is also new, rare, limited to a few places that are already antagonistic to dragons ) and claiming that almost three quarters of an entire class of magic items, in a world that is FAR more afraid of dragons uses dragon parts. Right after making a note of just how violently opposed to that dragons are in that game....
How (and WHY?) are 70% of these wands made with dragon bone, when in the PF world there are dragons who track down and kill the makers and sellers of such items, when most dragons object violently enough to seize and destroy them?
It defies all logic.


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The article from Rifter #19 states that wood is the only material that can be made into a magic wand, so the note about dragon bones is absolutely not compatible with that article. Unless there's another article that people are referring to?
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Glistam wrote:The article from Rifter #19 states that wood is the only material that can be made into a magic wand, so the note about dragon bones is absolutely not compatible with that article. Unless there's another article that people are referring to?

The problem is that the R#19 article is just an unofficial rifter....and D&G is an official canon publication.
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eliakon wrote:
Glistam wrote:The article from Rifter #19 states that wood is the only material that can be made into a magic wand, so the note about dragon bones is absolutely not compatible with that article. Unless there's another article that people are referring to?

The problem is that the R#19 article is just an unofficial rifter....and D&G is an official canon publication.

Exactly. Which is why it needs to stop being brought up as an "answer" to this question.
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In the absence of any other canon source I would just consider Wands to be in the same category of item as "Magic Rings, Bracelets, Charms, & Medallions" from page 253 of Palladium Fantasy - though I'd also allow some of the more offensive abilities from the "Magic Weapons" section on pages 249-250 to also be used (specifically Spits Fire and Spits Lightning).
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Wouldn't Necromancers be able to create dragon-bone wands
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Snake Eyes wrote:Wouldn't Necromancers be able to create dragon-bone wands


IMO, yes.
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What would the purpose of that be? Mystic Russia adds necro spells to create a bone scepter or bone staff but those can be done with pretty much anything, and shaping dragon bone into a wand would be a step away from attaching natural parts like horns/claws/wings to merge with.
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