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PATACK

More realistically this is the thread which will be deleted in a day or so like the other threads that have brought this question up recently. - End of Line - I don't check her often, cuz, well, no reason to. But I was stunned by the # of threads that were locked, had warnings posted to them, or me...

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Is this the post where we all show up and laugh?

Or is this the one we all pay attention to because Palladium will finally reply to with something remotely believable?

hahahahaha - good luck! I'll check back in 2 months and see where this goes...

PATACK

When the long mentioned new rules are published... and long mentioned re-testing happens... And maybe right after Wave 2 ships?

PATACK

Haha - those Con exclusives / GHQ offers seem like a mix of a distraction play and a quick cash move (likely to fund Wave 2?). And in a practical sense - a T55 vs a mecha??? I hope that T55 has a super duper cannon upgrade otherwise I'm not seeing the point of putting them on the table. Good luck ge...

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haha - trust me, my smug remark was fueled by a level of disappointment with RRT. Models : I 100% agree that they are overly complex if this was intended to be a "game". If it was meant to be a box full of pieces for a modeler to assemble and gaze in wonder at - they hit the mark. While I ...

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Have I mentioned why I am SUPER happy that I missed the Kickstarter, but have been able to pick up all the Wave 1 stuff at a great discount at online sellers?

PATACK

Head over to the rules section in the forum and you'll see LOTS of talk on the Blast rules. There are other rules as well (issues with flying, for example) that have been questioned and answered. If Blast is not fixed by Wave 2, this game will be unplayable due to the large number of mecha that will...

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I'm just curious if you could get that many folks together for an event that ALL understood the rules the same way. I can't get 3 of us at a table with a common understanding on some key items! Too bad there is not some sort of official rundown as I'm not inclined to read the uber-updates by individ...

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Am I missing it, or is there really no discussion / commentary on how the tourney went at the Open House? How many people played? Who won and with what kind of force? How long did the games take to play? What kind of questions came up concerning rules? What kind of interesting tactics did players us...

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So, in other words, a four line paragraph that after you remove the vagueness and generalizations, boils down to "soon".

Gotcha.

Thanks for the laugh.

PATACK

Good to hear a new rulebook is in the works. And I agree - the current rulebook is NOTHING like a wargames rulebook. It comes off as more of a draft where rules are mixed with ideas, concepts, and creative writing. I still think that the "complete" rulebook was not what most folks used in ...

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I'm not worried about Wave 2 (easy to say since I did not back the KS campaign) minis. That damn rulebook needs to be rewritten. Too many issues where "intent" does not match RAW, and small, but critical things are not crystal clear.

PATACK

Thanks for the clarification on your role, Phaze. WARNING! PERSONAL OPINION FOLLOWS Haha. Naturally I'm going to spread this comment, attributed to you, all over the interwebs, but without the warning! --- I think you are on the right track, Brady. Seems everything is broken down to the lowest level...

PATACK

semi official basis on Palladium's behalf I have the utmost respect for the water you are carrying for PB, but this can't keep going on. Tell PB to get off their ass and make rules decisions OFFICIAL. Or have them make YOU the official guy. I take questions like these to Palladium and we have a dis...

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I get what you are saying, Phaze, and can follow the line of reasoning. But I'm start to get that "death by a thousand cuts" feeling with these rules. Seems lots and lots of stuff is not covered, not covered in a clear manner, is left open for interpretation, or seems to add time overhead ...

PATACK

I can see what you are saying in terms of linking paying to fire more weapons hence the need to pay to Dodge. I guess the only imbalance there would be the number of mecha that can fire a weapon for free under certain circumstances and there really being nothing that allows a free Dodge.

PATACK

Hi Phaze, I think this opens into an interesting discussion that I can't find covered in the rules. The rules provide several examples where a mecha is hit by, or is firing, only one weapon system. There are no examples or wording that covers multiple instances. For example : a Regult is hit by the ...

PATACK

Interesting. I'll need to go back and look at the rules as I've been considering anything one unique mecha (or close formation group) fires as an "attack". I don't think anyone in our group has considered different weapons from the same mecha as a different attack.

PATACK

Just to reiterate a previous point I made: I think this argument is more about the Phalanx than the rule. Yes and no, IMO. The rule as written is awful and as many have mentioned takes far too long to resolve, unless you really are a player who loves the "pie plates" and finds fun watchin...

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I like the limiting of the Blast markers by not allowing splitting of the missile volley. For the Defender, if you are not allowing split fire with Blast, if they want to use split fire are you just having them fire "normal" (as in not using the Blast upgrade)? Or are you just stripping ou...

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Looks like you need to bring another core squadron next time if you want to assault me with 3 Glaugs without cheating!

PATACK

Maxgravity : we added that last provision as a counter-balance to the absurd unlimited ammo that the Phalanx has. Without that what we are seeing is a bunch of lame Phalanx figs sit waaaay back and throwing unlimited missiles at the ground, killing stuff by taking the easy (i.e. LAME!) option of jus...

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Played the first game with the House Rule for Blast as per above and it went great. Blast took no more effort or time than any other Strike resolution and still proved to be deadly. We'll play 2 more games on Sunday using these rules to keep trying them to see if they work within the overall system....

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Played a 300 point game last night with no Blast weapons and it was probably the most enjoyable play so far in terms of fast playing, smooth flow, and pure mecha vs mecha killing. We are going to play a few more times with some vastly simplified Blast rules. 1. Blast Missiles are just like other mis...

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Playing without Blast is our version of keeping the lights on a little bit longer!

I'm not bailing on the game by any stretch, but I can easily see Blast being relegated to Optional Rule status.

PATACK

After a month long break, I'm getting this back on the table, but not using the sloppy mess called "Blast". We are just going to play the game with everything else and go from there. If that still turns out to be a fun game / system, I may be able to just abandon Blast totally going forwar...

PATACK

Those are largely all things the group I play with has tested (except the point cost change). While they do help, it will still only get worse with Wave 2 when the number of Blast-capable mecha grows. While I am seeing no effort or communication in this direction - this really is an issue that needs...

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"Only applies to the units on that force card, Not anything attached. I'm sure you've already figured that out but it bears repeating." I thought there was another thread on this that said you MUST upgrade a standard Regult squad if attached to a Squadron that had been upgraded? Maybe I mi...

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"Shouldn't Palladium do their own errata? Ideally yes. The question I have for you is would you rather have a Palladium staffer searching the boards for questions to answer, or packaging product to ship out?" -- Phaze I would rather they pay attention to these forums for the questions, con...

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Nope - no intent on a flame war. I think it is great the work you do and I appreciate it and extend my thanks to you for being 'up front' on this. But do you REALLY think you are the one, as a third party volunteer, who should be responsible for taking questions on an OFFICIAL company website to the...

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I've been a critic, so let me approach this from a different way and see what you all think. If you look at wave 2, there is going to be a large increase in units that can use Blast (and this does not count the Upgrades that might be possible that are not listed in the rulebook) and many of those ar...

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Official word? We'll be lucky to get a vague response filtered through a third party that describes "intent" while managing to go against everything that the rulebook actually does spell out! I still laugh when I look at that giant list of "playtesters" in the front of the rulebo...

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Two of our group played last night with some modified Blast rules. I'll ask them to drop in and comment on what those mods were and what they though of it. I think it worked well for them - but the time to play / resolve the Blasts was edging towards excessive, IMO. Four or more of us are going to p...

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Has anyone played a 300-point game as the UEDF using upgrades, etc to max out the Blast-type weapons? I've 'found' a 300 point army with Phalanxes, long range missiles on Valks, and Defenders with upgraded air burst that can lay down a whopping 60 blast templates in a single turn (taking max use of ...

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"Makes me wonder what other rules have intended meanings that are so drastically different from their as-written wording?" Our group (about 6 players) had this very discussion after playing last night, mainly centered around the Blast rules, which the more we play are becoming universally ...

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"He is referencing others in the creation process" I beg of you... please have these same folks have a similar discussion over the Blast rules and issue The Final Word on how Blast works in the game. I think you've seen it, but that 2 pages of questions, comments, concerns, house rules, et...

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Yes - my dice SUCKED! And I took brutal losses from it, but that's the way it goes. Process wise, I think the way we played makes Blast weapons far too effective. Shooting at the ground, you'll almost never miss, so the "Death Cluster of Blast Markers" ends up doing damage that an entire s...

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The card says the free attack must be made during the unit's "next activation". That activation may be in the following turn but it seems pretty clear you can't bank them beyond that subsequent activation.

PATACK

I've been playing any mecha in the close formation - so you can daisy chain damage throughout a close formation.

PATACK

I like the free exchange of ideas. But I still don't like that nobody is playing it the same way. Even within our group there are 2-3 interpretations. Now if Palladium's plan is to sit back and watch the discussion, and once it has run it's course, take everything under advisement and make a ruling,...

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Not sure I understand the above from Mike. I'm not making it harder to shoot down - I'm making it exactly the same to shoot down as every other missile in the game. Same with targeting - I'm not saying you can ONLY target one mecha - you target just like every other missile in the game. So yes - it ...

PATACK

I'm leaning more towards keeping Blast-type missiles the exact same as all other missiles (in terms of targeting, volleys, dodging, etc...) except that it gets a blast marker that can obviously expand the pool of effected mecha. That way the only rules clarification would be focused on the blast tem...

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To make it easier, for Blast weapons, I recommend just taking a trash can lid and dropping it on the table. Any mecha not covered by the lid or knocked down by the dropping of the lid survives. Repeat as necessary, up to 11 times, until Ammo has been consumed.

PATACK

No kidding. Good to see an official clarification. Bad to see that the intent of the clarification is nothing like the RAW, IMO! Especially the scatter, which clearly talks about multiple attack dice. The Inescapable part seems very potent. I wonder if the above is how everyone played in testing?

PATACK

I think another issue with considering "squads" as part of the squadron comes into play when you upgrade Regults to Veteran status. So are you then to assume that you PAY to upgrade the mecha on the core card, and then you could add up to 12 more regults via squad cards and those are someh...

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I'm pretty sure I agree with ApocalypseZero except on this :

"Determine Scatter for any Miss Missile." It appears the rules say you only scatter if ALL the dice miss. So you could hit with 3 of 4, and the 4th miss would not result in a scatter template if that is the case.

PATACK

With the huge # of playtesters listed in the front of the rule book, I'm really wondering how things like this that are unclear made it into the rulebook?! The way I read it, I'm not seeing anything that makes me think a weapon with Blast ONLY rolls one die to hit. The Phalanx says "Volley"...

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This rule needs some serious rewording / clarification! The way I've been looking at it (using the Phalanx as the example) is : Roll 4 dice for your volley size. If ALL dice miss, there is a scatter, but the template only does 9 MD. If 3 of 4 dice hit, there is no scatter, and the template does 27 M...

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